The price of carbon emissions should be whatever is necessary to bring them down to an acceptable level, not some token amount that governments make up so as to look as though they're doing something. Taxes can be complicated just as easily as a cap-and-trade system can. Offsets can be just as real or just as bogus when the price is pulled out of an unspecified orifice of Washington DC as they can when the price is what is needed to get emissions down.
On Jul 24, 8:01 am, Veli Albert Kallio <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Steven, > > "After about four man-years it is now hard to go much further with no money." > > I just want to express my gratitude and commendations that what you have > tried. > > Let's just hope the scheme gets now funded. > > I am sure our Geoengineering Group all rejoices in your accomplishment and is > thankful. > > Kind regards, > > Albert > > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:42:08 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > CC: [email protected] > > Subject: [geo] Re: Cap and trade considered harmful > > > John > > > Count me in. The guys trying to defraud the carbon trading schemes are > > so much brighter than the ones setting the rules that there is no chance > > of ever saving carbon, just making billions for the traders. > > > Slightly counter to one of your recent emails, the design of the most > > critical part of the cloud albedo hardware, the spray generation and > > filtration system system is now almost complete and drawings will be > > taken to subcontractors very soon. After about four man-years it is now > > hard to go much further with no money. > > > Stephen > > > Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design > > School of Engineering and Electronics > > University of Edinburgh > > Mayfield Road > > Edinburgh EH9 3JL > > Scotland > > tel +44 131 650 5704 > > fax +44 131 650 5702 > > Mobile 07795 203 195 > > [email protected] > >http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs > > > John Nissen wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > There seems to be growing concerns about cap and trade, for example, > > > yesterday from the New York Times. [1] > > > > Here are some reasons against: > > > * There is an illusion of emissions reduction, which may hamper efforts > > > to get significant real reductions from the main polluters. > > > * The cap and trade cannot work on a large enough scale to produce > > > necessary world wide emissions reductions. > > > * The market it crates puts an unpredictable price on carbon, so it is > > > difficult to make investment decisions, especially on renewable energy. > > > * The scheme includes offsetting through approved projects, which are > > > difficult to set up and prone to failure. > > > * Because of above problems, many countries will refuse to sign up to > > > the scheme, further diluting its effect. > > > > Jim Hansen describes Cap and Trade as the "Temple of Doom" [2]. > > > > Therefore, it is proposed to have a levy on fuels, in order to increase > > > their price, and let market forces reduce the consumption. > > > > Now I would argue that the money raised should be spent on > > > geoengineering. If you agree, who could we contact to discuss this > > > idea? Could we get the idea promoted prior to Copenhagen in December, > > > so that an alternative to Cap and Trade gets discussed there? > > > > Cheers from Chiswick, > > > > John > > > > [1]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/opinion/22wed11.html?th&emc=th > > > > [2]http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20090505_TempleOfDoom.pdf > > > -- > > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your > photos.http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
