Albert

Seems to me he might ask what can we do about it?

Famously he once remarked "it's the economy stupid"

So have a KISS [Keep It Stupid Simple ] response ready 

""Grow a lot of trees -- and be ready to shoot sulphur into the Arctic 
stratosphere""

If he asks why tell him that both are 
  a.. cheap, 
  b.. simple, 
  c.. effective
  d.. require no rocket science [[OK use aircraft for the sulphur]] 
  e.. can be started tomorrow and 
  f.. can be easily stopped (i.e. reversible)
and tell him planting trees is safe [subject to sustainability best practice] 
but sulphur isn't [so don't do it unless you hear the air raid sirens -- John 
may well say we can hear them already]

OK, all claims contestible but UNFCCC Article 3.3 says we do not need full 
scientific certainty in face of serious or irreversible threats

If he asks why it isn't being done tell him the world has gone mad

Best
Peter

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Nissen 
  To: Mike MacCracken 
  Cc: Andrew Lockley ; Geoengineering 
  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:18 AM
  Subject: [geo] Re: One message for Clinton



  Hi Mike,

  The situation is desperate on many fronts.  Here are some points, which one 
might put to Clinton.

  1.  It is going to be difficult to get agreement on emissions reduction, 
especially while Obama is focussed on getting healthcare sorted:
  http://planetark.org/wen/54728 

  2. Emissions reduction to zero overnight, by all nations, would not prevent 
further Arctic sea ice retreat, because of the continued climate forcing by 
anthropogenic CO2 in atmosphere (over 100 ppm giving around 1.6 Watts/m2) and 
the accelerated warming in the Arctic (as positive feedback effects build up).

  3. Emissions reduction to zero overnight by either developed nations OR 
developing nations would still allow temperature to rise above 2 degrees 
(MacCracken).

  4. The best chance of saving Arctic sea ice, and avoiding manifold hazards 
that could arise therefrom, would be by SRM geoengineering.

  5.  Due to excess CO2 in atmosphere, the oceans have become more acidic, 
which could have disastrous implications for corals and marine food chains.  
Reduction below 350 ppm advocated by Jim Hansen (and below 330 by some others).

  6.  Major CO2 sinks are reaching a critical condition where they might stop 
absorbing CO2 or even provide positive feedback.

  7.  In particular the Amazon rainforest is at a critical point, where a 
widespread drought of two or more years  could cause die-off and burn.  This 
would return much CO2 to atmosphere, thus exacerbating global warming.  (It 
would also disrupt American and Atlantic weather systems.)

  8.  Political and charitable initiatives have so far failed to halt the 
deforestation of rainforest in Amazon and elsewhere.

  9. Geoengineering, both for cooling (SRM) and carbon air capture, is still 
opposed by most scientists, environmentalists and the media.

  10.  Most scientists, environmentalists and media hacks believe that 
geoengineering presents a "moral hazard", in providing a "climate fix" which 
would let governments off the hook, in negotiations to reduce emissions.

  Because of the rapidly deteriorating situation, and the political 
difficulties above, geoengineering is liable to come too late.  We need a 
wake-up call from a senior and respected leader.  

  Cheers,

  John



  Mike MacCracken wrote: 
On this issue of the desperation of our situation, as I noted in a paper
last year (see 
http://www.climate.org/PDF/MacCracken-CritReviewSummary-final.pdf ), and
later confirmed using Wigley's MAGICC model, consider the following:

A) If emissions from the developing world went to zero next year and stayed
there, the trajectory of developed nation emissions (even considering a
reasonably low emission IPCC SRES scenario) would take the world to greater
than 2 C warming, only about a decade or two later as compared to at
present. Clearly, the developed nations have to go to virtually zero GHG
emissions over coming decades.

B) If emissions from developed nations went to zero next year and stayed
there, the trajectory of developing nation emissions (again considering a
reasonably low scenario) would also take the world to over 2 C, delayed by a
little bit more. Clearly, the developing nations are going to have to also
get their emissions down toward zero.

For reasons of both practicality and equity, developed nations need to lead
on CO2, showing the world that a modern economy can prosper on low CO2
emissions. But both developed and developing nations can really reduce
near-term forcing (and so warming) by cutting their non-CO2 emissions
(methane, black carbon, ozone generating air pollutants, etc.--and
controlling each of these can improve health and well-being now and/or
improve overall economic efficiency) and by taking steps to improve
efficiency and end deforestation/start reforestation. Roughly speaking, the
21st century warming influence of 21st century emissions of non-CO2
greenhouse gases is nearly as much as the 21st century warming influence of
21st century emissions of CO2 (of course the CO2 effect carries on for
centuries and longer). So, if we want to slow warming, negotiators must work
toward an agreement that limits both CO2 and non-CO2 emissions. And the
point is starting to get through to high levels (see
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2009/sep/11/co2-other-cause-
climate-change).

So, while keeping below 2 C will still be hard if we also control non-CO2
greenhouse gases (and the world may still want and need geoengineering to
keep the warming down and deal with special impacts like the Arctic because
cutting CO2 emissions will also cut SO2 emissions and the aerosol cooling
offset we have now), if the negotiating focus is only on CO2 emissions,
we'll all be getting a good bit warmer and the pressure for geoengineering
will be even greater.

Mike MacCracken


On 9/17/09 10:07 AM, "Andrew Lockley" <[email protected]> wrote:

  The clear message is that:
1)  Even if we stopped emission completely tomorrow, we'd probably
still be in deep trouble.  It is abundantly clear that we face not
one, but several potential major tipping points, as identified by
Lenton et al.
2) Without urgent and significant funding for geoengineering research,
the technologies will be unlikely to be ready for swift and safe
deployment when needed.
3)  The later we can deploy any necessary geoengineering, the less
likelihood there is that these technologies will work effectively.


A

2009/9/16 John Nissen <[email protected]>:
    Albert is seeing ex-president Clinton next week.  This is an unusual
opportunity to a get a message across to somebody with real influence.
Is there a single message that could catalyse action?

Seeing the bad news in the Guardian [1], about which Stephen sighed, one
should not be "rocking the boat", yet I feel that the people advising
Obama must warn him that emissions reductions, however severe, are no
guarantee of safety.  Any level of emissions reductions which appear
politically acceptable, like 80% reduction by 2050, has little chance of
preventing tipping points like Arctic sea ice summer disappearance.

Perhaps Clinton should be told that we actually face a climate
emergency, but IPCC have dug themselves collectively into a hole over
emissions reductions.  Scientific advisers (like John Holdren) should be
asked a straight question: would emissions reductions by themselves
guarantee to prevent the kind of climate catastrophe that could follow
from loss of Arctic sea ice (methane discharge, sea level rise) - and if
not, is there any alternative to geoengineering for significantly
reducing the risk?  The answer does not have to be made public, but that
is another issue.

Cheers,

John


[1]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/15/europe-us-copenhagen


          

  
  



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