Hi folks, This may be a another relevant NSF funded study on this thread. I could be wrong.
http://www.essc.psu.edu/~brantley/publications/kump.pdf CHEMICAL WEATHERING, ATMOSPHERIC CO2, AND CLIMATE Lee R. Kump, Susan L. Brantley, and Michael A. Arthur Department of Geosciences and Earth System Science Center, The Pennsylvania State University To quote from the summary; "The geologic record shows not only that climate change has influenced chemical weathering and erosion, but that changes in chemical weathering and erosion have affected climate. Factors such as continental growth and configuration (continentality), tectonic uplift, biological innovation, and solar luminosity have conspired in the past to cause substantial changes in the weatherability of the continents, leading to climate fluctuations,". On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Andrew Lockley <and...@andrewlockley.com>wrote: > Hi > > I've checked and I don't think this article has been published to the > groups before. Apologies if I'm incorrect. Broadly speaking, it supports > my view that climate sensitivity to rising CO2 is drastically > underestimated. > > You should note that the article doesn't look at methane releases and other > climate cycle feedbacks, and only considers (apparently) anthropogenic > feedbacks - so despite its hawkish stance, it's actually rather > conservative. > > I'm becoming increasingly concerned about the apparent conservative bias in > the research literature. I can't put my finger on one single study that > gives a realistic scenario for warming with ALL the feedback nasties > included (even roughly). Has such a study been done? Because if not, it > would seem a terrible omission. > > A > > > http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=118363&WT.mc_id=USNSF_51&WT.mc_ev=click > > The magnitude of climate change during Earth's deep past suggests that > future temperatures may eventually rise far more than projected if society > continues its pace of emitting greenhouse gases, a new analysis concludes. > > The study, by National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) scientist > Jeffrey Kiehl, will appear as a "Perspectives" article in this week's issue > of the journal *Science*. > > The work was funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF), NCAR's > sponsor. > > Building on recent research, the study examines the relationship between > global temperatures and high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere tens > of millions of years ago. > > It warns that, if carbon dioxide emissions continue at their current rate > through the end of this century, atmospheric concentrations of the > greenhouse gas will reach levels that existed about 30 million to 100 > million years ago. > > Global temperatures then averaged about 29 degrees Fahrenheit (16 degrees > Celsius) above pre-industrial levels. > > Kiehl said that global temperatures may take centuries or millennia to > fully adjust in response to the higher carbon dioxide levels. > > Accorning to the study and based on recent computer model studies of > geochemical processes, elevated levels of carbon dioxide may remain in the > atmosphere for tens of thousands of years. > > The study also indicates that the planet's climate system, over long > periods of times, may be at least twice as sensitive to carbon dioxide as > currently projected by computer models, which have generally focused on > shorter-term warming trends. > > This is largely because even sophisticated computer models have not yet > been able to incorporate critical processes, such as the loss of ice sheets, > that take place over centuries or millennia and amplify the initial warming > effects of carbon dioxide. > > "If we don't start seriously working toward a reduction of carbon > emissions, we are putting our planet on a trajectory that the human species > has never experienced," says Kiehl, a climate scientist who specializes in > studying global climate in Earth's geologic past. > > "We will have committed human civilization to living in a different world > for multiple generations." > > The Perspectives article pulls together several recent studies that look at > various aspects of the climate system, while adding a mathematical approach > by Kiehl to estimate average global temperatures in the distant past. > > Its analysis of the climate system's response to elevated levels of carbon > dioxide is supported by previous studies that Kiehl cites. > > "This research shows that squaring the evidence of environmental change in > the geologic record with mathematical models of future climate is crucial," > says David Verardo, Director of NSF's Paleoclimate Program. "Perhaps > Shakespeare's words that 'what's past is prologue' also apply to climate." > > Kiehl focused on a fundamental question: when was the last time Earth's > atmosphere contained as much carbon dioxide as it may by the end of this > century? > > If society continues its current pace of increasing the burning of fossil > fuels, atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide are expected to reach about 900 > to 1,000 parts per million by the end of this century. > > That compares with current levels of about 390 parts per million, and > pre-industrial levels of about 280 parts per million. > > Since carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas that traps heat in Earth's > atmosphere, it is critical for regulating Earth's climate. > > Without carbon dioxide, the planet would freeze over. > > But as atmospheric levels of the gas rise, which has happened at times in > the geologic past, global temperatures increase dramatically and additional > greenhouse gases, such as water vapor and methane, enter the atmosphere > through processes related to evaporation and thawing. > > This leads to further heating. > > Kiehl drew on recently published research that, by analyzing molecular > structures in fossilized organic materials, showed that carbon dioxide > levels likely reached 900 to 1,000 parts per million about 35 million years > ago. > > At that time, temperatures worldwide were substantially warmer than at > present, especially in polar regions--even though the Sun's energy output > was slightly weaker. > > The high levels of carbon dioxide in the ancient atmosphere kept the > tropics at about 9-18 F (5-10 C) above present-day temperatures. > > The polar regions were some 27-36 F (15-20 C) above present-day > temperatures. > > Kiehl applied mathematical formulas to calculate that Earth's average > annual temperature 30 to 40 million years ago was about 88 F (31 > C)--substantially higher than the pre-industrial average temperature of > about 59 F (15 C). > > The study also found that carbon dioxide may have two times or more an > effect on global temperatures than currently projected by computer models of > global climate. > > The world's leading computer models generally project that a doubling of > carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would have a heating impact in the range of > 0.5 to 1.0 degrees Celsius watts per square meter. (The unit is a measure of > the sensitivity of Earth's climate to changes in greenhouse gases.) > > However, the published data show that the comparable impact of carbon > dioxide 35 million years ago amounted to about 2 C watts per square meter. > > Computer models successfully capture the short-term effects of increasing > carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. > > But the record from Earth's geologic past also encompasses longer-term > effects, which accounts for the discrepancy in findings. > > The eventual melting of ice sheets, for example, leads to additional > heating because exposed dark surfaces of land or water absorb more heat than > ice sheets. > > "This analysis shows that on longer time scales, our planet may be much > more sensitive to greenhouse gases than we thought," Kiehl says. > > Climate scientists are currently adding more sophisticated depictions of > ice sheets and other factors to computer models. > > As these improvements come on-line, Kiehl believes that the computer models > and the paleoclimate record will be in closer agreement, showing that the > impacts of carbon dioxide on climate over time will likely be far more > substantial than recent research has indicated. > > Because carbon dioxide is being pumped into the atmosphere at a rate that > has never been experienced, Kiehl could not estimate how long it would take > for the planet to fully heat up. > > However, a rapid warm-up would make it especially difficult for societies > and ecosystems to adapt, he says. > > If emissions continue on their current trajectory, "the human species and > global ecosystems will be placed in a climate state never before experienced > in human history," the paper states. > > -NSF- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > -- *Michael Hayes* *360-708-4976* http://www.wix.com/voglerlake/vogler-lake-web-site -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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