List (cc Dr. Rau, with thanks for alerting us to this interesting APS reporton one form of CDR [below])
1. I found quite a few citations in addition to the NYTimes report by Mr. Rudolf, but it took a while to get the actual 112 p report. It is at: http://www.aps.org/policy/reports/popa-reports/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&PageID=244407 2. The report looks thorough to me. It would be hard to fault the process or the expertise of the panelists. It was a long time in production and involved a great many reviewers as well as a 2009 dedicated several-day workshop. But I would love to hear the views of experts who disagree. 3. I have only skimmed the full report - looking only for the places the authors compared DAC (Direct Air Capture) with other CDR approaches. I was of course especially looking for terms like "biology" and so found a 2 page (4 references) section (p23-25) entitled: "Terrestrial biological CDR ". Re the short reference to Biochar, they stated:(p24-25) (with my added underlining): "A terrestrial biological CO2 capture strategy sharing features of both biomass build-up and BECS involves -- "biochar ." Biochar is the solid residue (charcoal) of the burning of biomass in low-oxygen conditions (pyrolysis). When added to the land, it creates long-lived soil organic carbon, enhances many soil properties and resists decay for hundreds of years. Useful energy can be extracted from the combustible gases released during the production of the biochar , as in the production of coke, the analogous product made from coal. In both cases, energy conversion from a solid fuel is terminated midway, with roughly half of the extractable useful energy still present in the biochar/charcoal . " There are similar short descriptions of all (?) the other CDR options. 4. I feel this was an appropriately innocuous description. I would have liked to see some reference - perhaps to www.biochar-international.org (which would have led to many dozens of refereed journal articles). Most of the rest of this short "biology" section (appropriately) covered BECS. I am afraid that casual readers of this section will miss the point that Biochar in soil is directly addressing many of the issues (e.g. loss of soil carbon) raised about using biomass for CDR. Maybe Biochar entered the report process late. 5. There are two paragraphs in their conclusions (that I liked) re Biochar (emphases added) a. p 96 Re other options : "....... the pursuit of many currently promising mitigation options deserves higher priority. These options include ......strategies like afforestation and soil management that increase biological carbon storage on the land. b. p 97: " DAC is not the only way by which humanity might gradually compensate for its emissions or reduce the atmospheric CO2 concentration. Among the alternatives are two terrestrial biological strategies: storage of additional carbon on the land and capture of CO2 from bioenergy facilities. Storage of additional carbon on the land can be achieved by afforestation, reforestation, and the insertion of ecologically inert biomass (e.g., charcoal ) into soil. Capture of part of the carbon in biomass can occur during the conversion of the biomass to power and fuels; it is a CO2 reduction strategy as long as carbon sequestration from the atmosphere accompanies carbon capture, because the CO2 that is captured was removed earlier from the atmosphere by photosynthesis. Biology-based capture strategies can bring environmental benefits beyond CO2 removal from the atmosphere. Afforestation and reforestation , for example, can improve water storage and reduce erosion , and adding charcoal to soil may improve soil quality. However, biology-based strategies can either improve or worsen biodiversity and habitat for wildlife, and they will eventually come up against the constraint of limited land. DAC and biocapture strategies could co-exist. " Other comments on this APS report?? Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Rau" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:30:37 AM Subject: [geo] CDR: Fool's errand? There is no doubt about the feasibility of air CO2 capture; Nature does >16 GT worth of net uptake each year. What also seems certain is that concentrating CO2 from air is the last thing you want to do, as fundamental thermodynamics predicts. Where was a discussion about existing and alternative air capture methods? How will this narrowly focused report now shape CDR policy - e.g. the Senate hearing this Thurs? -G May 9, 2011 Physicist Group's Study Raises Doubts on Capturing Carbon Dioxide From Air By JOHN COLLINS RUDOLF Over the last few years, some of world's brightest minds have become fascinated with a seemingly simple idea: easing the threat of climate change by pulling carbon dioxide out of the air. The concept is entirely different from capturing and sequestering carbon dioxide from power plants and other big polluters before it enters the air. Rather, the aim would be to remove the gas from the planet's ambient air, where it exists in low concentrations everywhere. In 2007 the British billionaire Richard Branson and Al Gore, the former vice president, created a $25 million prize for the first creator of such a technology, and millions of dollars in venture capital have since flowed to start-up companies tackling the problem. But a new study casts serious doubts on whether such efforts will ever yield an economically viable tool for fighting global warming. The study, released on Monday by the American Physical Society, the world's largest group of physicists, finds that while removing carbon dioxide from ambient air is technically feasible, the cost is likely to remain prohibitively high. The report concluded it would cost at least $600 a ton to capture carbon dioxide from the air, compared with an estimated cost of about $80 a ton to capture the gas from a typical coal power plant. The most significant hurdle is the extremely low concentrations of carbon dioxide in air, compared with the stream from a coal-fired power plant or other large emitter, said Robert H. Socolow, a Princeton physicist and a co-chairman of the report. The flue gas from a coal plant is roughly 10 percent carbon dioxide, while carbon in the ambient air is around four-hundredths of a percentage point. "We have to deal with our centralized power sources first," Mr. Socolow said. "This is not an assignment for the next few decades." The conclusion was greeted with dismay by several leading scientists who have championed air capture as a climate change solution, however. Wallace S. Broecker, a professor of geology at Columbia University and a pioneering climate change researcher, said it was premature to write off the technology, which was still in its infancy. "It's something that's so promising, it's a crime not to explore it," he said. "The cost depends on how widely it's implemented," Dr. Broecker added. "The first computers cost a fortune, and now they cost almost nothing." Developing a workable system to capture and sequester carbon emissions directly from power plants is far more pressing, said Michael Desmond, a chemist and senior internal consultant at BP who served as co-chairman of the report. "You've got to get your entire electric infrastructure decarbonized," Mr. Desmond said. "It's only there where air capture starts to make sense." The development of carbon capture technology for power plants and other large emissions sources has made significant strides in recent years, and the federal stimulus package included billions of dollars for research and demonstration projects. But wide-scale deployment in the United States will almost certainly require the passage of federal climate legislation setting a price for carbon dioxide emissions; such legislation failed to clear the Senate last year and is unlikely to be revived anytime soon. Spending on carbon capture from ambient air, by contrast, has been far more modest, totaling just tens of millions of dollars. Kilimanjaro Energy, a California start-up and one of the leading developers of ambient air carbon-capture technology, for instance, has spent just over $11 million on research and development, said Nathaniel David, the firm's president. The idea of capturing carbon in ambient air has found some bipartisan support in the Senate, where a bill to reward researchers who develop carbon-removal technology was reintroduced last month with a Republican sponsor. Klaus S. Lackner, a physicist and director of the Lenfest Center for Sustainable Energy at Columbia University's Earth Institute who created the company's technology, criticized the American Physical Society study as too narrowly focused, saying it had analyzed only outdated technology. Dr. Lackner said his design, which uses a plastic that absorbs carbon dioxide when dry and releases it to the air when wet, would eventually be capable of capturing the gas for far less than $600 a ton. "I can assure you that if I believed it would cost $600 a ton, I would have given up long ago," he said. Mr. David of Kilimanjaro Energy also said the report had failed to take into account the use of captured carbon dioxide as a feedstock for biofuels, like those made from algae. "What we're into is making fuels," he said. "If you can grab CO2 from the atmosphere and can do it economically, you can find yourself in the midst of the fuel business." Mr. Desmond, a co-chairman of the report, said his group had struggled to get sufficient data from private companies engaged in research into direct air capture. In the absence of data, claims that the process could be done cheaply were almost impossible to verify, he said. "In the big scheme of things, those numbers don't seem credible," he said. "That's my concern." Other analysts had mixed views. In an e-mail message, Sasha Mackler, director for energy innovation at the Bipartisan Policy Center, a Washington institute, agreed that direct air capture of carbon dioxide was probably decades away from making economic sense. But the market for alternative fuels could make the process far more profitable than forecast in the report, Mr. Mackler said. "We are at far too early a stage to predict how this field will emerge in the years ahead," he said. "Now is not the time to be taking options off the table." This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: Correction: May 10, 2011 This article has been corrected to reflect that Wallace S. Broecker is a professor of geology, not physics. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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