John Vidal is a serial offender. I attach communication that I had with him and his editor in the past about his reckless, abusive, and damaging tactics.
The fact that the Guardian continues to publish such rubbish despite being informed that their writer is a rubbish producer says something about a lack of commitment to truth and accurately informing its readers, not to mention a lack of respect towards people who in good faith and in an effort to be helpful enter into public discussions. Did Guardian fact checkers contact me to see whether these attacks on me were warranted? No, The Guardian did not. The Guardian should be ashamed of itself for repeatedly publishing crap like this that recklessly damages reputations. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Caldeira <[email protected]> Date: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:14 PM Subject: Fwd: comments on geoengineering story in Guardian To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected], John Vidal <[email protected]> Chris, Let's imagine a fable, set in the days before chemotherapy was recognized as a sometimes useful tool in the treatment of cancer. Let's imagine that there are some medical scientists who get the idea that ingesting a poison might in some specialized cases actually be a good idea. For people with invasive cancer, even though the poison would harm their body, it would harm the cancer cells even more. While the idea of self-administering poison is repugnant, there are cases where consuming poison reduces overall harm. Now, let's imagine that some nutters get hold of this information, and reason "well, if this poison has such positive benefits that it can tame aggressive cancers, maybe we should start consuming a little poison now, and prevent bad things from happening." They become "poison advocates". Some of these poison advocates think we should put some poison, like fluoride, in our drinking water now so that everyone can get this benefit as soon as possible. (The medical scientists were not sophisticated in the arts of public relations, so they called their idea "poison therapy".) Then, a reporter from the Guardian calls one of the scientists working on "poison therapy". The scientist tells the reporter, "I am researching whether there are certain circumstances in which ingesting poison can reduce overall harm. But, one thing that commonly happens is that people try to represent us as 'poison advocates' when we are really working scientists trying to investigate something that might in some special circumstances be able to reduce harm (and potentially save lives). Please make sure you distinguish clearly between poison advocates and scientists researching poison therapy. Oh, and by the way, here are links to two interviews in which I have made my positions clear." Let's furthermore imagine that it is early days and the government is not yet funding research into chemotherapy. So, a philanthropist steps in and says "I will contribute to studying this and other innovative ways to address threats posed by cancer, until the government can get its act together and start supporting this research." Then, the Guardian reporter, in order to increase the titillation factor of what he fears might be a rather mundane story, decides to blur the distinction between advocating poisoning our water supply and researching chemotherapy, and decides to publish an expose about how a billionaire tycoon and his mad scientists are poison advocates, giving the impression if not out-rightly saying that they seek to profit off of putting poison in your drinking water. I think the above allegory reflects how I see the Guardian as handling this matter. The Guardian, it seems, has chosen to titillate rather than to inform. And in so doing, the Guardian does me and my colleagues personal harm. I get phone calls or emails nearly every day from nutters who think that I am spraying something in the sky. They have published my home address on the web, much the way doctors who perform abortions here in the US have had their home addresses posted on the web. The Guardian is inciting a bunch of nuts who think the doctors studying chemotherapy need to be stopped before they can poison us all. There is an issue of personal safety here. As I have said many times before, I don't know if this climate chemotherapy can really reduce harm, but the stakes are high enough that we would be remiss if we did not examine this possibility. It is completely irresponsible of the Guardian to conflate working research scientists with the nutters advocating spraying aerosols in the stratosphere. I would appreciate it if the Guardian could manage to be more responsible in their reporting in the future. Best, Ken _______________ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 [email protected] http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira *YouTube:* Crop yields in a geoengineered climate<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0LCXNoIu-c> Influence of sea cucumbers on a coral reef CaCO3 budget<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSd4zy8iMo> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Vidal <[email protected]> Date: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: Re: comments on geoengineering story in Guardian To: Ken Caldeira <[email protected]> Dear Ken, thanks for the email. I promise I had no intention of misrepresenting you but felt that the context of the statement about scientists "who advocate geoengineering methods" (in the second paragraph) was that you and others were seeking further experiments (as referred to in the first para) and very much as as a last resort. However, could you please send Chris Elliott, the independent readers' editor of the Guardian, a copy of your request directly please? He is aware of your email to me and will adjudicate soonest. try: [email protected] but copy in: [email protected] Thanks very much John Vidal On 7 February 2012 05:08, Ken Caldeira <[email protected]> wrote: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/06/bill-gates-climate-scientists-geoengineering > > John, > > I appreciate that you published my comments about making CO2 emissions > illegal and not wanting to profit off of patents, but I do not like being > erroneously characterized as an advocate of geoengineering, when I am not. > > Will you next write that cancer researchers are in favor of cancer? Does > wanting to research something mean you are an advocate of that thing? > > I think you should issue a correction saying that you were mistaken in > referring to those who want to study geoengineering as "advocates of > geoengineering". This is simply erroneous. > > --- > > In my email to you, I referred you to two interviews, available online: > > In one, I said: > * > Caldeira: First of all, as scientists, we are evaluating these approaches > and trying to predict what might happen if they were deployed. We make a > pretty clear distinction between research and development. But this > distinction between researching something and advocating it is often lost. > ... I think it is entirely likely that if we deploy one of these systems > that bad stuff will start happening.* > > > http://theeuropean-magazine.com/373-caldeira-ken/372-climate-change-and-geo-engineering > > In the other, I said: > * > I think just the political dimensions and the governance dimensions of > these geoengineering options suggest that we would be very reluctant to > deploy these things, even if we thought they worked more or less perfectly. > > ... Then, of course, the system is not going to work perfectly. First of > all, it’s not going to address the issues of ocean acidification. It’s not > going to perfectly offset global warming, so you’ll have some residual > effects. So, I look at these geoengineering options as something we would > only want to consider if our backs were really up against the wall, and > where all these environmental and political risks seem worth taking because > the alternatives look so frightening. > > ... I think we don’t know right now whether these kinds of approaches > have the potential to reduce risk or not. In our climate models, the amount > of climate change can be reduced by these kinds of approaches, but the > climate models are an imperfect reflection of reality, and they don’t > consider the kinds of political risks that I was mentioning before. And so > I think we just have to say we don’t know whether these options can really > reduce overall risk… > > Let’s say geoengineering doesn’t work, and that it would add to risk. It > seems to me it would be worth having a research program to demonstrate that > beyond a reasonable doubt so we can all forget about this and move on. > > On the other hand, if these options do have the potential to reduce risk, > then it seems to me that we would like to have the option to reduce that > risk should a time come where that would seem necessary. I kind of think of > these geoengineering options as seeing, “Well, can we invent some kind of > seatbelts for our climate system?” We need to drive the climate system > carefully, we need to greatly reduce emissions. But even if we’re driving > carefully we still run the risk of getting into an accident. And seatbelts > can potentially reduce the damage when we’re in an accident. > > ... But thinking of geoengineering as a substitute for emissions reduction > is analogous to saying, “Now that I’ve got the seatbelts on, I can just > take my hands off the wheel and turn around and talk to people in the back > seat.” It’s crazy.* > > http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2201 > > Would you, after reading those statements call me "an advocate of > geoengineering" or would you call me "an advocate of geoengineering > research"? > > --- > > There are a number of other errors and mis-impressions that I will not > bother to correct here. But, overall, I got the sense that you were more > eager to entertain than to accurately inform. Is this your sense also? > > Best, > > Ken > > _______________ > Ken Caldeira > > Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology > 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA > +1 650 704 7212 [email protected] > http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira > > *YouTube:* > Crop yields in a geoengineered > climate<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0LCXNoIu-c> > Influence of sea cucumbers on a coral reef CaCO3 > budget<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSd4zy8iMo> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]>wrote: > Posters note: The Guardian has forgotten to take its medicine again. > Apparently David K, Ken C and John S are about to take over the world and > get really rich. This sounds awesome fun and I'd love to join in. > > A > > > http://m.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/oct/06/us-push-geoengineering?cat=environment&type=article > > 12.10.12 > > Big names behind US push for geoengineering > > A coalition representing the most powerful academic, military, scientific > and corporate interests has set its sights on vast potential profitsBritish > scientists have pulled back from geoengineering projects but the US is > forging ahead. Photograph: Gallo Images/Getty ImagesJohn VidalGuardian > Weekly, Thu 6 Oct 2011 12.04 BSTBlogpostShare on twitterShare on > facebookShare on emailMore Sharing Services0UK scientists last week > "postponed"one of the world's first attempts to physically manipulate the > upper atmosphere to cool the planet. Okay, so the Stratospheric Particle > Injection for Climate Engineering project wasn't actually going to spray > thousands of tonnes of reflective particles into the air to replicate a > volcano, but the plan to send a balloon with a hose attached 1km into the > sky above Norfolk was an important step towards the ultimate techno-fix for > climate change.The reason the British scientists gave for pulling back was > that more time was needed for consultation. In retrospect, it seems bizarre > that they had only talked to a few members of the public. It was only when > 60 global groups wrote to the UK governmentand the resarch groups behind > the project requesting cancellation that they paid any attention to > critics.Over the Atlantic, though, the geoengineers are more gung-ho. Just > days after the British got cold feet, the Washington-based thinktank > the Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC)published a major report calling for the > United States and other likeminded countries to move towards large-scale > climate change experimentation. Trying to rebrand geoengineering as > "climate remediation", the BPC report is full of precautionary rhetoric, > but its bottom line is that there should be presidential leadership for the > nascent technologies, a "coalition of willing" countries to experiment > together, large-scale testing and big government funding.So what is the BPC > and should we take this non-profit group seriously? For a start these guys > - and they are indeed mostly men - are not bipartisan in any sense that the > British would understand. The operation is part-funded by big oil, > pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies, and while it claims to > "represent a consensus among what have historically been divergent > views," it appears to actually represent the most powerful US academic, > military, scientific and corporate interests. It lobbies for free trade, US > military supremacy and corporate power and was described recently as a > "collection of neo-conservatives, hawks, and neoliberal interventionists > who want to make war on Iran".Their specially convened taskforce is, in > fact, the cream of the emerging science and military-led geoengineering > lobby with a few neutrals chucked in to give it an air of political > sobriety. It includes former ambassadors, an assistant secretary of state, > academics, and a chief US climate negotiator.Notable among the group is > David Whelan, a man who spent years in the US defence department working on > the stealth bomber and nuclear weapons and who now leads a group of people > as Boeing's chief scientist working on "ways to find new solutions to > world's most challenging problems".There are signs of cross US-UK > pollination – one member of the taskforce is John Shepherd, who recently > wrote for the Guardian: "I've concluded that geoengineering research – and > I emphasise the term research – is, sadly, necessary." But he cautioned: > "what we really need is more and better information. The only way to get > that information is through appropriate research."It also includes several > of geoengineering's most powerful academic cheerleaders. Atmosphere > scientist Ken Caldeira, from Stanford University, used to work at the > National laboratory at Livermore with the people who developed the > ill-fated "star wars" weapons. Together with David Keith, a researcher at > the University of Calgary in Canada, who is also on the BPC panel, Caldeira > manages billionaire Bill Gates's geoengineering research budget. Both > scientists have patents pending on geoengineering processes and both were > members of of the UK Royal Society's working group on geoengineering which > in 2009 recommended more research. Meanwhile, Keith has a company > developing a machine to suck CO2 out of the year and Caldeira has patented > ideas to stop hurricanes forming.In sum, this coalition of US expertise is > a group of people which smell vast potential future profits for their > institutions and companies in geo-engineering.Watch out. This could be the > start of the next climate wars. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en.
