I am with Greg on this one. I am highly suspicious of strategies that say "We will produce more CO2 today, but please trust us this will allow us to make even deeper cuts to emissions in the future."
Let's call this the "Wimpy strategy". "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Wellington_Wimpy On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]>wrote: > That makes the simplistic assumption that no other oil would be drilled > elsewhere instead. This is likely untrue. > > In reality this is (at worst) a small subsidy for prioritizing one deposit > over another. It has the fortunate effect of subsidizing some cool tech > meantime. > > A > On Jan 30, 2013 6:44 PM, "RAU greg" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Andrew. For those of us who are interested in stabilizing if not >> reducing air CO2, CO2-EOR in the guise of CCS is, to put it mildly, >> counterproductive. Currently, per tonne of CO2 injected 3-5 tonnes of CO2 >> are ultimately emitted from the refinement and use of the oil produced*. >> From a carbon management standpoint it would be far better to simply emit >> the waste CO2 to the atmosphere and leave the oil carbon very well >> sequestered in the ground. Instead we are lead to believe that CO2-EOR >> "CCS" will help stabilize air CO2, using federal funds (a staggering $253M >> for just the project below), tax credits, etc that are otherwise intended >> for efforts that are actually serious about stabilizing or reducing atmos. >> CO2. >> >> On Jan. 3 I sent this list a link** to a detailed draft industry protocol >> for calculating GHG reduction credits for CO2 EOR "CCS" that in 100 pages >> manages to completely ignore the net effect this activity will have on the >> planet. Since this protocol will likely help set policy for CO2 crediting, >> I hope those who are outraged as I am will join me in submitting a >> comment***. Or co-sign mine - draft attached. Due Jan 31. >> >> -Greg >> >> * http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es902006 >> >> ** >> http://americancarbonregistry.org/carbon-accounting/css-for-oil-and-gas-reservoirs-public-comment >> >> *** >> http://americancarbonregistry.org/carbon-accounting/carbon-capture-and-storage-in-oil-and-gas-reservoirs >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> >> *To:* geoengineering <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wed, January 30, 2013 1:06:25 AM >> *Subject:* [geo] Air Products’ Carbon Capture Project onstream | News | >> gasworld >> >> >> http://www.gasworld.com/air-products-carbon-capture-project-onstream/2001725.article >> >> Described by the United States Department of Energy (DOE) as a milestone >> in DOE’s Industrial Carbon Capture and Storage (ICCS) program, Air Products >> has announced Phase One of its two stage carbon capture project in Port >> Arthur, Texas is onstream. >> >> Ultimately, the project will capture approximately one million tonnes of >> carbon dioxide (CO 2 ) annually to be recovered, purified by Air Products, >> and transported by Air Products via a pipeline owned by Denbury Green >> Pipeline-Texas, for injection into the Denbury Onshore operated West >> Hastings Unit, an enhanced oil recovery project in Texas. >> >> Air Products designed, constructed, and is now operating Phase One of a >> state-of-the-art system to capture CO 2 from one of its steam methane >> reformers (SMR) located within the Valero Port Arthur Refinery. The CO 2 >> removal technology has been retrofitted to the SMR, which produces hydrogen >> to assist in the making of cleaner burning transportation fuels by refinery >> customers on Air Products’ Gulf Coast hydrogen pipeline network. >> >> Phase Two, involving a second Air Products’ SMR at the site, is to be >> onstream in April 2013. “We have successfully launched Phase One and would >> like to congratulate all of our project collaborators on the achievement. >> We are now focused on getting Phase Two onstream and completing the project >> as designed. This novel and technology-leading project would not have >> occurred without the support and involvement of DOE,” said Wilbur Mok, vice >> president, North America Tonnage Gases for Air Products. >> >> DOE stated in its announcement that, “This event marks a milestone in >> DOE’s ICCS program: progressing beyond research and development to a >> demonstration scale that can be readily replicated and deployed into >> commercial practice within the industry. Goals of the ICCS program are to >> mitigate climate change through carbon capture, utilisation and storage; >> create jobs; and position the United States as a world leader in >> carbon-capture technologies.” DOE provided a significant portion of the >> funding (66%) for the over $400m project. In June 2010, Air Products was >> selected to receive $253m in funding from DOE through the National Energy >> Technology Laboratory under the ICCS Program, which is funded by the >> American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) for this project. It later >> received an additional $30m from DOE through the ARRA for final >> engineering, design, construction, and project operation through September >> 2015. Air Products’ project was the only industrial gas company led >> undertaking selected by DOE, and one of only three projects receiving >> additional funding towards a commercial demonstration project. >> >> DOE has estimated that Air Products’ Port Arthur Project will assist in >> the recovery of 1.6-3.1 million additional barrels of domestic oil >> annually. DOE’s announcement stated that when an oil well begins “playing >> out,” not enough oil is pumped to make it worthwhile to continue using the >> well, and the well is closed or “shut-in,” even though much of the original >> oil in the field remains in the formation. Several methods of enhances oil >> recovery have been developed to recover this remaining oil, including >> pumping CO 2 down to the oil reservoir. In the Port Arthur project, a >> monitoring, verification, and accounting program will ensure that the >> injected CO 2 remains underground, safely and permanently trapped in the >> same geologic formation that confined the oil brought to the surface in the >> demonstration. >> >> Air Products’ Port Arthur hydrogen production facility hosting the CO 2 >> project is part of its industry-leading Gulf Coast hydrogen plant and >> pipeline supply network, the world’s largest system of its kind, serving >> multiple refinery and petrochemical operations in the region. The pipeline >> stretches from the Houston Ship Channel in Texas to New Orleans, Louisiana. >> In August it began supplying over 1.2 billion cubic feet of hydrogen per >> day to refinery and petrochemical customers. Air Products had operated two >> hydrogen pipeline systems in Texas and Louisiana before joining them with >> the new 180-mile segment. >> >> The 600-mile pipeline span is fed by over 20 Air Products hydrogen >> production facilities. Hydrogen is widely used in petroleum refining >> processes to remove impurities found in crude oil such as sulfur, olefins >> and aromatics to meet the product fuels specifications. Air Products has >> worked on several carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) projects around >> the world for the power market. These projects include: >> >> The world’s first full demonstration of oxyfuel CCS with Vattenfall AB, >> one of Europe’s leading energy companies. Air Products installed its >> proprietary CO 2 capture, purification, and compression system at >> Vattenfall’s research and development facility in Schwarze Pumpe, Germany, >> which is viewed globally as the preeminent CO 2 oxyfuel project. >> >> In collaboration with the Alberta Energy Research Institute, a study >> focusing on advanced CO 2 capture technology for use with gasification. >> >> In cooperation with DOE, Air Products designed and constructed a CO 2 >> purification system in support of an oxyfuel technology development project >> at a boiler-simulation facility in Windsor, Connecticut. >> >> Air Products demonstrated oxyfuel sour compression technology in >> experimental work carried out by Imperial College London with flue gas from >> a 160 kilowatt coal-fired combustion installation at Doosan Babcock’s >> facility in Renfrew, Scotland, as part of the Oxycoal-UK Project. >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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