Ron: Quite agree the SRM and CDR parts of Geoengineering need separation. Hamilton didn't, another fault of his logic.
I learned from the CROPS experience that one can work out economics etc in detail and yet get no support, for government is plain not interested in more than posturing in this era. I expect that to change in the 2020s; this is what passes for optimism these days. Gregory Benford On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > Greg and list > > Thanks for forwarding this older (4-week) comment by Strauss. I think > I am mostly in agreement with Strauss, but would have been much more > pleased if he (Hamilton does a little) had separated the SRM and CDR parts > of Geoengineering. I think most analysts are willing to concede that some > CDR forms now need encouragement rather than controls. But with most using > the term geoengineering to mean only SRM, it is way too confusing to even > read the material carefully, which might be helpful otherwise. > > Apologies for bringing back this continuing complaint. > > Ron > > > > On May 7, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Gregory Benford <[email protected]> wrote: > > A good comment on Hamilton's Nature opinion piece: > > Report this > comment<http://www.nature.com/news/report?article=1.12777&comment=57262>| > #57262<http://www.nature.com/news/no-we-should-not-just-at-least-do-the-research-1.12777#comment-57262> > Johannes Strauss said: > > Although geoengineering raises challenges and sometimes novel questions, > Prof. Hamilton's argument for inaction is undermined by three logical > shortcomings. > > 1. First, he proposes that geoengineering research be held up to > standards much higher than any other research. As Prof. Litvinyuk states, > if these standards were applied to other domains, they would all be > (implicitly) prohibited. For example, the author wonders whether poor > countries should have a say in research "potentially world-saving > technologies," yet every day research which would address diseases in the > developing world are research in the industrialized countries. To the > extent that it is desirable to have such voices integrated, there are means > to do so. > > > 1. Second, although the author's long series of questions raise all > sorts of sinister implications, in reality most of these questions have > already been answered (e.g., the consensus is for transparency and no > patents), could be answered (e.g., national governments are in the best > position to impose regulations on research), can't yet be answered due to > the very nature of research, are built on misleading premises (e.g., rogues > like Russ George are outliers who are condemned by the geoengineering > research community, and there is no get-rich potential in solar radiation > geoengineering), or are built on demonstrably false premises (e.g. there is > no "slew" of private patents on geoengineering, and oil companies are not > "talking up" or investing in real geoengineering to any significant > degree). In fact, much of the misleading rhetoric in this essary is based > on an excessively broad definition of geoengineering: oil companies are > interested in carbon capture and storage, and do have patents. But if one > includes that in "geoengineering," then one can state that oil companies > are investing in and patenting geoengineering methods, implicitly including > stratospheric aerosol injection for solar radiation management. > > > 1. Third, and perhaps most importantly, the author ignores what > geoengineer is intended to address: the risks of climate change to humans > and the environment. I, like essentially all those who advocate for > geoengineering research, desire that emissions abatement could prevent > dangerous climate change. Yet optimal emissions abatement (and adaptation > funding) are unlikely to occur, and even if they were to, then climate > change may still be dangerous. In such circumstances, we need all options > at our disposal. > > At its core, the author's argument is for ignorance and fewer options in > the face of potentially catastrophic risks of climate change. I reject this. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
