While I want to respect Ken's wishes to get back to his work, I have a few 
points to add.

First, I too do not like the tone of many of the comments on this list recently 
about Clive Hamilton and his position.  They are unnecessarily dismissive and 
incorrectly (in my view) treat the issues Clive raises as though they were 
non-issues.  One can disagree with his conclusions without attacking him for 
publishing his views.

But I want to respond directly to Clive's description of Ken's role in the 2006 
SRM meeting hosted at NASA Ames.  I too attended this meeting and I think 
Clive's criticism of Ken for his choice of invitees and report co-authors is 
way off base.  Clive takes Ken to task for having invited  Haroon Kheshgi of 
ExxonMobil and Lee Lane, then with AEI, to the workshop and for involving Lee 
Lane as a co-author of the workshop report.  I have not read Clive's book so I 
am reacting only to his email.

I have spent a fair amount of my professional career fighting the positions of 
ExxonMobil and AEI but I think there is no basis for the innuendo that Clive 
draws from the fact that Ken involved Haroon and Lee in this workshop.  There 
is a style of advocacy writing that uses the mere fact of a person's employer 
as an explanation for the findings of various reports. Sometimes there are 
sufficient associated facts to warrant the implication that the employer 
explains the position taken.  But that is not the case here.  Clive seems to 
have decided to claim that Ken is somehow in league with anti-GHG-mitigation 
agendas of ExxonMobil and AEI just because he included their employees in the 
workshop and worked with Lee as a report co-author.

There is a much simpler, non-conspiratorial (and in my opinion, more truthful) 
explanation for Haroon and Lee's workshop involvement: they both possess 
intellectual skills and had some familiarity with the topic and Ken knew them.  
(As Haroon and Lee both know, I have had lots of occasion to disagree with 
positions they have espoused but there is nothing sinister or untoward in their 
participation in discussions like those at NASA Ames.)

As to Clive's claim that the workshop report puts forth a "profoundly 
anti-democratic analysis,"  that is really a distortion of what the report 
says.  The report described two competing strategic visions for SRM techniques. 
 The first would do some research but put deployment on the shelf -- reserved 
for use akin to an emergency brake -- deployed only when a greater calamity was 
unavoidable.   The second vision contemplated deployment of SRM in advance of 
calamitous change as a time-buying technique.  The report's comment about the 
"political advantages" of the emergency-use vision was an observation that in 
an emergency, issues that might require some time to work through, tend to get 
ignored.  I would agree that labeling this feature as a "political advantage" 
was a poor choice of words, since it can be misrepresented as an endorsement of 
that form of decision-making.  But, if anything, the report's description of 
the pros and cons of the two strategic visions leans rather heavily in the 
direction of making the case against the emergency-use approach.  I would be 
surprised if Clive actually believed the report was endorsing that approach and 
did so because it avoided democratic processes.  Clive's highlighting this as 
the most disturbing aspect of the NASA workshop report comes across to me more 
as a "gotcha" quotation approach; rhetorically useful but not an accurate 
account.

Personally, I share a lot of Clive's misgivings about how societies might 
misuse the prospect of geoengineering having some potential utility in fending 
off climate disaster but I don't see that advocating a ban on research is a 
wise approach to dealing with geoengineering's very real downsides.  I respect 
Clive's right to hold and defend a different opinion but as someone who knows 
Ken pretty well, I think impugning his integrity or judgment as Clive seems to 
be doing is unsupportable.

David Hawkins

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
On Behalf Of Ken Caldeira
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:48 AM
To: Clive Hamilton
Cc: Ross Salawitch; [email protected]
Subject: [geo] Re: Reply to Ken Caldeira

Clive Hamilton wrote

"He [Gates] is an investor in Silver Lining, a company pursuing marine cloud 
brightening methods."

This is false.  Bill Gates made no such investment. I could be wrong, but I do 
not believe that there is any such company.

There are some related facts (i.e., David Keith and I made a grant [i.e., gift] 
to Armond Neukermans to explore indoors the feasibility of making a nozzle, 
under the specific condition that the grantors and funders would have no 
financial interest in the outcomes of his work). Clearly, there was never any 
investment by Bill Gates in any company called Silver Lining.

I leave it to Clive, the ethicist, to tell us what the right thing to do is 
when you make public, false, and damaging statements about someone else.

----

I do apologize to Clive (and others) for making statements that criticized them 
as persons.  I should have restricted myself to criticizing statements, and not 
persons.  I was wrong to make remarks that were critical of Clive (and others) 
as persons. I regret it, and I am sorry, and I will do my best to avoid such 
intemperate behavior in the future.

---

I want to do my work and not waste any more time with this.

Best,

Ken

_______________
Ken Caldeira

Carnegie Institution for Science
Dept of Global Ecology
260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA
+1 650 704 7212 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Clive Hamilton 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

I'm confused. In one post Ken Caldeira calls for respectful communication and 
in the next (see below) he attacks me sharply for "making things up". So let me 
respond.

I should first confess that on occasion I make mistakes. When they are pointed 
out I correct them. My book, Earthmasters, was read thoroughly by several 
readers with various kinds of expertise, and revised several times to correct 
errors. Since publication a couple more have been pointed out by a diligent 
reader and will be corrected in the next printing by Yale University Press.

But there is no need to make any corrections after Ken's criticisms of me on 
this site.

My source for the claim about Bill Gates and Silver Lining was an article in 
The Times. There it was stated:

"Silver Lining, a research body in San Francisco, has received $300,000 
(£204,000) from Mr Gates." 
(http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/science/article2504715.ece) It's the reference I 
include for the claim in my book (page 220, note 15)

As for the role of Haroon Kheshgi, he was a member of the workshop convened by 
NASA and the Carnegie Institution that led to a report in 2007 advocating 
research into SRM and essentially pushing geoengineering hard.

Ken was the convener of that meeting. He thought it appropriate to invite a 
representative of Exxon Mobil and a representative from the American Enterprise 
Institute. The latter was Lee Lane. Lane is responsible for an "economic 
analysis" (published by the AEI) purporting to show that SRM would be a much 
cheaper way to deal with global warming than cutting greenhouse gas emissions 
and is to be preferred.

Ken was happy to have Lane co-author the NASA report with him. The AEI later 
cut and pasted large chunks of the NASA report into one of its own reports. 
This is all documented in my book.

Ken invited Kheshgi to the NASA meeting but says that the leader of Exxon's 
Global Climate Change programme had no influence over the proceedings or the 
report. Well (as one might say in the US) tell that to the marines.

Ken can see no problem inviting onto a team to write a pro-geoengineering 
report a representative of the oil corporation that has done more than any 
other to attack climate science and resist all measures to curb carbon 
emissions. He also had no problem inviting a representative of the organization 
that has been the leading right-wing think tank attacking climate science for 
two decades.

The AEI itself has received funding from Exxon Mobil to engage in climate 
science disinformation. One of its resident scholars infamously wrote to US 
climate scientists offering $10,000 in cash for any who agreed to write a 
critique of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report (Hoggan, Climate Cover-Up, pp 
73-4).

Ken can see no problem working closely with these people on geoengineering. Nor 
can he see any problem with his public claim that all geoengineering research 
should be publicly funded (a claim he made at a public debate with me in 
Berkeley) while he himself accepts private funding (from Gates) and has 
privatized intellectual property by putting his name on geoengineering patents. 
Again, this is all documented in my book.

What is most disturbing about the NASA report, co-authored by Ken from the 
meeting he organized, is its profoundly anti-democratic analysis. As I note in 
the book, Ken Caldeira and Lee Lane argue that in the "emergency" framing of 
geoengineering there is no point thinking about political objections and 
popular resistance to solar radiation management because, in a crisis, 
"ideological objections to solar radiation management may be swept aside". The 
authors count the ability to sweep aside civil society objections to deployment 
of solar radiation management as an "obvious political advantage".

It is no surprise to me that the right-wing ideologues from the American 
Enterprise Institute should support the bypassing of democracy. That Ken, who 
frequently wheels out his credentials as an activist, should endorse such 
disdain for public participation in decisions determining the future of the 
planet comes as a shock.

If Ken were to borrow a copy of my book he would learn a lot more about the 
politics of geoengineering, and perhaps even a bit about himself. As I compiled 
the index I noticed that his name features more than any other. I was surprised 
by this as my own assessment is that David Keith is a substantially more 
influential player. But David is more careful about how he goes about it.

Clive Hamilton

On 30 May 2013 12:18, Ken Caldeira 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ross,

I agree with you about the need to focus on facts and ideas and not making 
snarky remarks about people.

Unfortunately, Clive does himself and the broader discussion a disservice by 
promulgating an abundance of misinformation.

Just grabbing the first thing I could find on the web, he claimed that Bill 
Gates is an investor in Silver Lining, which is patently untrue. Bill Gates has 
no investment in Silver Lining.

In an earlier email, I noted Clive's propensity to make claims about people's 
motivations, when he is not in a position to discern their motivation.

Clive also wrote "Through Kheshgi, Exxon has begun to influence "independent" 
reports into geoengineering, such as the 2007 NASA report on solar radiation 
management organised by Caldeira.". What is the evidence for Exxon's influence 
in this report? Is it just an assertion, or is there real evidence?

I have little desire to get into a discussion fact-checking Clive's every 
statement, but at least a few of them appear to have little foundation. (Many 
of them have a ring of "truthiness", in that they are related to true 
statements. The problem is that they are not in themselves true statements.)

We can have our own points of view, but we cannot invent our own facts.

Best,

Ken

PS. An example of "truthiness" might be the assertion of Exxon influenced the 
2007 meeting report 
(http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070031204_2007030982.pdf).Haroon
 Kheshgi was at the meeting, but I do not recall any influence he had in 
producing the report. Perhaps Clive can enlighten us, and tell us more 
specifically how Kheshgi influenced this report.

_______________
Ken Caldeira

Carnegie Institution for Science
Dept of Global Ecology
260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA
+1 650 704 7212<tel:%2B1%20650%20704%207212> 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab  @kencaldeira

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http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html
Check out the profile of me on NPR's All Things 
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On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Ross Salawitch 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Disheartening to read criticism of Clive Hamilton, upon publication of his 
op-ed piece in the 26 May 2013 edition of the New York Times.

Clive is eminently qualified to write on the topic of geo-engineering of 
climate, following the 22 April 2013 publication of his book "Earthmasters: The 
Dawn of the Age of Climate Engineering":

http://www.amazon.com/Earthmasters-The-Dawn-Climate-Engineering/dp/0300186673

This book is very well referenced with citations to enumerable papers written 
by those active in this group. Since when has an op-ed piece contained 
citations to the peer reviewed literature?  (in case it is not obvious, this is 
a rhetorical question).   Several prior commentors seem to have lost sight of 
the fact a NY Times op-ed piece is written for the public, rather than a highly 
specialized audience of academics.  IMHO, Clive's piece is outstanding and he 
should be lauded for such a thorough, succinct summary of this important 
societal issue.

This forum is maintained by Google groups.  Presumably, anything written will 
be preserved for many generations to follow.  At the moment, this forum is 
close to delving into a pit of snarkiness.  I urge those who chose to write to 
consider the permanency of your remarks before hitting the "post" button.
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