If the intention is to reduce global temperature, why do you refer to it as local climate? Do you consider reduced rainfall as a result of geoengineering SRM weather control or an unintended side-effect<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/geoengineering/ipdLpbnXHeU/tAXDtadrNR0J> ? Do you consider creation of artificial clouds<http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ada539515>weather control or climate modification? Those are just words<http://climateviewer.com/public-relations-fear-mind-control.html> .
Geoengineering SRM and weather modification are interchangeable: Bill Gates and world's top Geoengineers collaborate on patents<http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?company=searete> > : *Hurricane Protection for Cash*! > > - January 3, 2008 • US Patent Application > 20090173386<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0173386.html> • > Water alteration structure applications and methods > - January 3, 2008 • US Patent Application > 20090173404<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0173404.html> • > Water alteration structure and system > - January 3, 2008 • US Patent Application > 20090175685<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0175685.html> • > Water alteration structure movement method and system > - January 3, 2008 • US Patent Application > 20090177569<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0177569.html> • > Water alteration structure risk management or ecological alteration > management systems and methods > - January 30, 2008 • US Patent Application > 20090173801<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0173801.html> • > Water alteration structure and system having below surface valves or wave > reflectors > - February 6-7, 2008 • *Department of Homeland Security's Hurricane > Modification > Workshop<http://rezn8d.net/2013/04/16/cloud-seeding-from-pluviculture-to-hurricane-hacking/> > * > - April 21, 2008 • Weather Modification Association Conference *“New > Unconventional Concepts and Legal > Ramifications<https://ams.confex.com/ams/17WModWMA/techprogram/session_21926.htm> > ”* > - Atmospheric heating as a research > tool<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylTQj2qX1ZM> > - On Engineering Hurricanes - William > Cotton<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIIFvTdqcA4> > - Reducing hurricane intensity using upwelling > pumps<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlnR_GMNIGA> > - May 29, 2009 • US Patent Application > 20100300560<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2010/0300560.html> • > Water alteration structure and system having heat transfer conduit > - May 29, 2009 • *United States Patent > 8348550*<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8348550.html> • > Water alteration structure and system having heat transfer conduit > [image: Bill Gates - Hurricane steering and protection > patent]<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0177569.html> > - *Assigned to: The Invention Science Fund I, > LLC<http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/nathan-myhrvold-net-worth/> > * > - Bowers, Jeffrey A. (Kirkland, WA, US) > - Caldeira, Kenneth > G.<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/geoengineering/authorname$3A%22Ken$20Caldeira%22> > (Campbell, > CA, US) > - Chan, Alistair K. (Stillwater, MN, US) > - *Gates III, William H.* <http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates.html> > (Redmond, > WA, US) > - Hyde, Roderick A. (Redmond, WA, US) > - Ishikawa, Muriel Y. (Livermore, CA, US) > - Kare, Jordin T. (Seattle, WA, US) > - Latham, > John<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/geoengineering/authorname$3A%22John$20Latham%22> > (Boulder, > CO, US) > - *Myhrvold, Nathan > P.*<http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/nathan-myhrvold-net-worth/> > (Medina, > WA, US) > - Salter, Stephen > H.<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/geoengineering/authorname$3A%22Stephen$20Salter%22> > (Edinburgh, > GB) > - Tegreene, Clarence T. (Bellevue, WA, US) > - Wattenburg, Willard H. (Walnut Creek, CA, US) > - Wood Jr., Lowell L. (Bellevue, WA, US) > - Wood, Victoria Y. H. (Livermore, CA, US) > - July 28, 2009 • US Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and > Transportation hearing *“Weathering the Storm: The Need for a National > Hurricane > Initiative<http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-111shrg54496/pdf/CHRG-111shrg54496.pdf> > ”* > - July 29, 2009 • *NOAA Says No to DHS Hurricane > Modification<http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2009/08/noaa_officially_rebuffs_dhs_hu.html> > * • NOAA > Letter<http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/noaa_letter_dhs_hurricane_modification.pdf> > - May 10, 2010 • Weather Modification Association Conference *“Hurricane > Aerosol and Microphysics Program > (HAMP)<https://ams.confex.com/ams/29Hurricanes/techprogram/session_24276.htm> > ”* > > Learn more on ClimateViewer's Weather Control > Timeline<http://climateviewer.com/weather-control.html> > Also see: Weakening of hurricanes via marine cloud brightening (MCB) – Silver Lining Project<http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs/Hurricanes/Hurricane%20reduction%20by%20cloud.pdf> I suppose a dual purpose sea-spraying sun-blocking hurricane-mitigating boat really blurs the lines between geoengineering and weather modification, wouldn't you say? ~ Jim Lee http://climateviewer.com/ On Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:18:02 AM UTC-4, Gene wrote: > > The goal is not weather modification or anything to do with weather but to > alter/control *slightly *the average, local, long term temperature i.e. > local *climate* modification not *weather *control. Hence your comments > on controlling weather offer no insight into a totally different issue. > Limited control of solar transmission through the local atmosphere may be > an adequate objective and may be viable on a local basis. In particular > local governance replaces a universal solution and minimizes the politics. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Jim Lee" <[email protected] <javascript:>> > *To: *[email protected] <javascript:> > *Sent: *Friday, August 9, 2013 10:21:27 PM > *Subject: *[geo] Re: Playing God With the Planet - The Ethics & Politics > of Geoengineering > > As you could clearly see, my video comment was in response to a "low > information voter" and I agree with Mick's response. > > Geoengineering seeks to do globally what cloud seeders claim to do > locally: control the weather. We lack the knowledge/ability to control > rain after 60 years of cloud seeding, no scientific body recognizes cloud > seeding as solid science, and the geoengineering SRM gang seems to think > that in a relatively short time they can master their art and deploy. I > can't see how. > > Currently, many different countries are modifying their skies, and there > is little accountability or transparency. > > When Meteo Systems Weathertec claimed to create rain in the Abu Dhabi > desert using ion > generators<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1343470/Have-scientists-discovered-create-downpours-desert.html>, > > the WMO's expert team on weather > modification<http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/arep/wwrp/new/documents/WMR_documents.final_27_April_1.FINAL.pdf>had > a meeting and issued the following condemnation: > > > “It should be realised that the energy involved in weather systems is so >> large that it is impossible to create cloud systems that rain, alter wind >> patterns to bring water vapour into a region, or completely eliminate >> severe weather phenomena. *Weather Modification technologies that claim >> to achieve such large scale or dramatic effects do not have a sound >> scientific basis (e.g. hail canons, ionization methods) and should be >> treated with suspicion.* >> >> Purposeful augmentation of precipitation, reduction of hail damage, >> dispersion of fog and other types of cloud and storm modifications by cloud >> seeding are developing technologies which are still striving to achieve a >> sound scientific foundation.” >> > > The same is true for geoengineering SRM. Too large, too many variables: > treat with suspicion. > > Nonetheless, weather modification using ionization methods continue: > > > <http://r3zn8d.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/aquiess-sciblue-april-july-2012-cloud-ionizers-end-texas-drought.png> > Aquiess and Sciblue are claiming to move tropospheric rivers using > "Weather Resonance Technology" and control the direction of cloud systems. > Whether their claims are true or not, the claim alone should be enough to > turn some heads, yet few believe their is a credible interaction between > electromagnetic energy and weather. > > How many other companies/countries have their hand in the cookie jar? > > My stance: > > ClimateViewer Position Statement, aka the “Clarity Clause” > > We intend to push for greater transparency in the world of climate > engineering. > [image: Terraforming Incorporated, How do you like your weather?] > > 1. Create a “multilateral registry of *cloud seeding, geoengineering, > and atmospheric experimentation* events with information and data > collection on key characteristics” > [1]<http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/221/10011310.htm> > . > 2. Create a publicly available multilateral registry website, with > hourly updates on atmospheric activities. > 3. Require nations/states/persons to notify the multilateral registry > (at least) 24 hours prior to initiation of atmospheric > experimentation/modification to ensure public notice, and liability should > said experimentation/modification cause monetary, environmental, or > physical losses. > > Jim Lee <http://www.facebook.com/rezn8d> > > > > ~ Jim > http://climateviewer.com/ > > > On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:12:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Hayes wrote: >> >> Thanks Mick, >> >> Yes, the "Ban" thing is becoming something of an urban legend. Here is >> how I would deconstruct the key thinking: "*in the absence of science >> based (science would not be absent), global (global what? Political, >> science, media talking heads, The C**olbert Nation**?), transparent and >> effective control and regulatory mechanisms for geo-engineering (We >> currently have 'reasonable knowability' of the combined human affect on our >> large climate systems and BD. The AGU just confirmed this view. Thus, we >> are currently, actively and knowingly geoengineering the planet. Once >> 'reasonable knowability' is established, the word 'intentional' >> becomes legally, morally and ethically moot...That truly is an >> "inconvenient truth"!), and in accordance with the precautionary >> approach and Article 14 of the Convention (This is contradictory >> to Article 15 of the Rio >> Declaration<http://www.gdrc.org/u-gov/precaution-7.html> >> ), that no climate-related geo-engineering **activities >> 76<http://www.cbd.int/decision/cop/default.shtml?id=12299#cop-10-dec-33-fn76> >> that >> may affect biodiversity take place, until there is an adequate scientific >> basis on which to justify such activities and appropriate consideration of >> the associated risks for the environment and biodiversity and associated >> social, economic and cultural impacts, with the exception of small scale >> scientific research studies that would be conducted in a controlled setting >> in accordance with Article 3 of the Convention, and only if they are >> justified by the need to gather specific scientific data and are subject to >> a thorough prior assessment of the potential impacts on the environment;" >> Article >> 15 must take priority. Or, the mindless adherance to Article 14 becomes a >> suicide pact. No person, orginization or species should be subjected to >> such logic.* >> * >> * >> *Any thoughts?* >> * >> * >> *Michael* >> >> On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:31:44 AM UTC-7, Jim Lee wrote: >>> >>> Now on YouTube: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT6YgF_Sams >>> >>> Enjoy =) >>> <3 u Clive >>> >>> Jim Lee >>> http://climateviewer.com/geoengineering-weather-control.html >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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