If one is interested in silicate addition to the ocean (both for direct 
chemical and indirect bio effects on C), then I refer you to these links and 
refs therein:
http://m.iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/1/014009/pdf/1748-9326_8_1_014009.pdf
http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/2/551/2011/esdd-2-551-2011.pdf

Lots more silicate minerals around than just ash, and yes potential for 
positive (and negative) cation and anions effects on bio C, but lets find out.
Greg

From: Oliver Tickell 
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Organization: Kyoto2
Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
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Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:59 AM
To: geoengineering 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [geo] New article on non-anthropogenic ocean fertilization in MEPS

Thanks! My last sentence should have read "And of course the other question is 
re the chemical composition of the silicate in the ash and its particle size as 
this will determine its quality as a source of silicic acid." So you understood.

the rate of weathering is proportionate to surface area so small particles are 
hugely more effective at releasing silicic acid than large ones. Olivine grain 
sizes of 0.1mm are proposed for terrestrial application and far smaller than 
this (~ micrometre scale) for marine use so that the particles can weather 
during their residence in the water column. The 'powdery' fraction of the ash 
will give the greatest silicic acid contribution.

It's hard for me to comment further without seeing the paper but it's good to 
know that these questions have been considered, Oliver.

On 21/08/2013 15:05, Chris Vivian wrote:
Oliver,

Bear in mind that the North East Pacific is a high-nutrient, low-chlorophyll 
(HNLC) area that is known to be limited by iron. The paper gives estimated sea 
water concentrations of silicate in the North East Pacific in the top 20 metre 
mixed layer in August 2008 when the volcanic eruption occurred of 5,000-15,000 
nM (nana molar) compared to an estimated 6-20 nM supply from the ash fallout 
over the fertilized area in the Gulf of Alaska.

Your second point was unclear but I assumed you were querying the release rate 
of the silicate from the ash. The ash used in the experiment was collected on a 
fishing boat during the eruption and stored dry in containers. The experiment 
only used the < 2 mm size fraction. The release rate of silicate in the 
experiments was 170 nmol silicate per gram of ash in the first hour and up to 
585 nmol silicate per gram of ash after 20 hours.

Chris.

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:12:19 AM UTC+1, Oliver Tickell wrote:

IMHO the significance of the silicic acid would depend on the time of year. In 
the spring silicic acid is generally abundant so adding more of it would make 
little difference. One it has all been used up and diatoms are giving way to 
other phytoplankton a boost of silicic acid would give rise to a second diatom 
bloom - so it would be very significant. And of course the other question is 
how effectively the chemical composition of the silicate in the ash and its 
particle size as this will determine its quality as a source of silicic acid.

Have the authors given any serious examination to such questions? Oliver.

On 21/08/2013 09:55, Chris Vivian wrote:
Oliver,
ï¿1Ž2
I have seen the paper but cannot post a copy online. In the paper the authors 
did measure the release of nitrate, nitrite, ammonia, phosphate and silicate in 
leaching experiments and concluded that the impact of these macronutrients 
released from Kasatochi ash on primary productivity was probably 
minimal.ï¿1Ž2They also suggested that the release of trace metals other than 
iron could also have influenced phytoplankton growth.

ï¿1Ž2

Chris.
ï¿1Ž2
On Monday, August 19, 2013 4:23:59 PM UTC+1, Oliver Tickell wrote:
I have not found an open source version of this paper yet, but here is a 
related one.
http://www.biogeosciences.net/10/3715/2013/bg-10-3715-2013.pdf
They do recognise that diatoms need silicic acid but do not seem to have 
thought of volcanic ash as a source of silicic acid, only of iron.

Re olivine application, it is worth noting that olivine is a mixture of Mg 
silicate and Fe silicate. Some proportion, to be determined, of the iron in 
olivine will become bioavailable as weathering progresses.

Oliver.
===============

The ocean response to volcanic iron fertilisation after the eruption of
Kasatochi volcano: a regional-scale biogeochemical ocean model
study
A. Lindenthal1
, B. Langmann1
, J. Patsch ï¿1Ž2
2
, I. Lorkowski2
, and M. Hort1
1
Institute of Geophysics, KlimaCampus, University of Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany
2
Institute of Oceanography, KlimaCampus, University of Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Correspondence to: B. Langmann ([email protected])
Received: 29 June 2012 ï¿1Ž2 Published in Biogeosciences Discuss.: 26 July 2012
Revised: 18 April 2013 ï¿1Ž2 Accepted: 8 May 2013 ï¿1Ž2 Published: 5 June 2013




On 19/08/2013 15:03, Oliver Tickell wrote:
This is very odd. Based on the abstract only (article behind paywall) it 
appears that they attribute the diatom bloom to iron fertilisation. Oddly they 
have not considered the role of silicic acid from the dissolution of Mg 
silicate species in the finely powdered volcanic ash. Silicic acid is often the 
limiting nutrient for diatoms, as they use it to make their silica shells. 
There is ample geological evidence of diatom (specifically) blooms being 
associated with falls of volcanic ash.

Is anyone able to post the actual article? Oliver.

On 17/08/2013 17:13, Wil Burns wrote:
FYI. wil

MEPS - Vol. 488 - Table of contents<http://www.int-res.com/abstracts/meps/v488/>
Mar Ecol Prog Ser (Print ISSN: 0171-8630; Online ISSN: 1616-1599)
Copyright ï¿1Ž2 2013 Inter-Research. Published August 15



Olgun N, Duggen S, Langmann B, Hort M, Waythomas CF, Hoffmann L, Croot P
Geochemical evidence of oceanic iron fertilization by the Kasatochi volcanic 
eruption in 2008 and the potential impacts on Pacific sockeye salmon
MEPS 488:81-88<http://www.int-res.com/abstracts/meps/v488/p81-88/> | Full text 
in pdf format<http://www.int-res.com/articles/meps2013/488/m488p081.pdf>

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