Bob, Greg, etal
Appologies; I am in rush to finish 2 PPts at Biochar2013 conference at Univ
Massachusetts.
I wanted mainly to get in the concept of island-based units. Good
economics purportedly in first using cold water for thermal coolth, then for
aqua-(mari-?) culture. I agree there needs to be concern over the depth of
mixed water release. Note also that a possible "waste" product is fresh water
- which can be of major value in some areas.
Alternatively, typical ocean fertilization schemes need not also rely on
deep ocean sequestration of biomass. I believe there is a better future for
use of biomass on land or sea for "regular" biochar plus liquid fuels (ala new
company "Cool Planet"). "Rumor" that Cool Planet will be giving reportedly
high new productivity number tomorrow from field tests with their biochar.
The main point is that OTEC is promising. It could have been well proven by
now if President Reagan had not declared death of the development effort on
grounds OTEC was (1981) "commercially ready". More tomorrow.
Ron
On Oct 14, 2013, at 1:25 PM, "Rau, Greg" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Discharging at depth will presumably cost energy, so what does that do to the
> economics, not to mention effects on mid-depth marine ecosystems where it
> will suddenly get a whole lot warmer/colder and O2 enriched/depleted?
> Greg
> From: Robert Cohen [[email protected]]
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:36 PM
> To: Ronal W. Larson
> Cc: Rau, Greg; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [geo] Speaking of artificial upwelling
>
> Dear Ron,
>
> It would be quite inadvisable to discharge the condenser effluent of ocean
> thermal plants into the photic zone. Responsible plant-designers and
> plant-operators should avoid that practice, by discharging that effluent at
> greater depths.
>
> That topic was discussed at the Asia Pacific Clean Energy Summit 2013 held
> last month in Hawaii. Please note in this connection the e-mail below, and
> its attachments, which I received from Dr. Luis Vega,
>
> Regards,
> <Bob copy.jpg>
>
> Robert C ohen, Ph.D., Consultant
> Specialist in Ocean Thermal Energy
> 1410 Sunshine Canyon Drive
> Boulder, Colorado 80302 USA
> (303) 443-4884
> mobile: (303) 249-7859
> <http://www.robertcohen.org/>
> <[email protected]>
>
> -----------
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Fw: Help OTEC from new IMO-OTEC
>> Date: September 16, 2013 3:34:04 PM MDT
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Reply-To: <[email protected]>
>>
>> The following information was provided by Prof. Yasu Ikegami of Saga
>> University in Japan.
>>
>> If indeed the International Maritime Organization (IMO) were to approve this
>> amendment on October 14, OTEC would be incorrectly classified as an "ocean
>> fertilization" activity and essentially banned from implementation. This
>> ignores the fact that all serious OTEC designs and ongoing development
>> proposals include returning the seawater to the ocean below the photic layer
>> such that enhancing primary productivity would not be feasible.
>>
>> Please alert others of this situation and if you know your IMO country's
>> delegate contact her/him.
>>
>> Luis
>>
>> Luis A. Vega, Ph.D.
>> Manager
>> National Marine Renewable Energy Center
>> University of Hawaii
>> 1680 East West Road, POST 112A
>> Honolulu, HI 96822
>> USA
>> (808) 956-2335 (landline)
>> (808) 221-5267 (mobile)
>> [email protected]
>> http://hinmrec.hnei.hawaii.edu/
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Yasuyuki Ikegami
>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:36 PM
>> To: Luis Vega UH Mail
>> Cc: 池上 康之
>> Subject: 【IOES-II】Help OTEC from new IMO-OTEC
>>
>> Aloha Luis-san,
>>
>> I am very happy to meet you again in Honolulu.
>>
>> By the way, as I explained, I would like to request you to help OTEC for
>> future. I have introduced on IMO (International Maritime Organization)
>> situation on OTEC. It is VERY VERY Serious situation for OTEC. If this
>> serious situation will be realized, OTEC business will be VERY difficult.
>>
>> Please check the our document. It is VERY VERY TOO BAD situation for
>> OTEC promotion in the world. You can get the including document from the
>> following the WEB. Please get more information of IMO,
>>
>> http://www.imo.org/Pages/home.aspx
>>
>> Already, I would request Dr. Hyeon-Ju Kim to help OTEC against IMO.
>> And I sent him same document.
>>
>> If adopted on october 2013, before placement of matter for ocean
>> fertilization, OTEC, SWAC and DOWA, a party must submit an application
>> for a permit outlining the scientific or research relevancy, and
>> licensing in the concerned country will only occur after certain
>> conditions are met.
>>
>> If adopted, the activity of OTEC and SWAC and DOWA will be decreased
>> immediately and will be STOP perfectly.
>>
>> I would like to propose that IMO will be adopted without OTEC, SWAC and
>> DOWA perfectly. SO, I would like to ask you to HELP us, OTEC and Blue
>> revolution. But it is no time and limited time until October 14, 2013.
>>
>> Please help and give us the GOOD IDEA to help OTEC from IMO.
>>
>> Keep in touch with you for OTEC on IMO.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Yasu
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Yasu <Yasuyuki> IKEGAMI, Leader of OTEC Division,
>> Institute of Ocean Energy,Saga University, JAPAN
>> E-mail:[email protected],
>> TEL:+81-952-20-4744(28-8624),FAX:+81-952-20-4745
>> http://www.ioes.saga-u.ac.jp/
>> http://www.facebook.com/OTEC.fan.page.International
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------
> On Oct 13, 2013, at 19:55 , Ronal W. Larson wrote:
>
>> Greg and list:
>>
>> The information below doesn't use either of the terms SRM or CDR. But I
>> have known a former federal manager of OTEC for about 40 years (Dr. Bob
>> Cohen). I have discussed with him several ways that CDR could be encouraged
>> via OTEC. Anyone interested in making contact - drop me a line. Dr. Cohen
>> is a valuable free (and passionate) resource on this topic.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2013, at 9:09 PM, "Rau, Greg" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone care to estimate the net atmospheric CO2 impact of bringing deep
>>> ocean water to the surface to perform OTEC and then discharging the water
>>> in the surface ocean? +/- renewable electricity benefits?
>>> Greg
>>> From: French, Bruce [[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 6:06 AM
>>> To: Rau, Greg
>>> Subject: OTE Corporation - Bahamas & OTEC Competitors
>>>
>>> Greg,
>>>
>>> OTE, as you know, has been around for a few decades. It appears to be
>>> coming to life again after the Lockheed OTEC sale to China.
>>> http://www.otecorporation.com/news_reader/items/ocean-thermal-energy-corporation-announces-7650000-equity-offering-under-the-new-jobs-act.html
>>> “In addition to its Energy Services Agreement to build, own and operate the
>>> world's largest deep ocean SDC system, OTE has concluded that other SDC and
>>> OTEC contracts are likely to follow in various locations such as the US
>>> Virgin Islands, the Caribbean, East Africa, the Pacific Rim and US
>>> Department of Defense bases, the latter of which are mandated to reach a
>>> 25% renewable energy goal by 2025. Memoranda of Understanding (MoUs) have
>>> been signed for at least four projects.”
>>>
>>> “All projects will be funded with an equity component in the capital
>>> structure. The first project in The Bahamas will incorporate equity
>>> contributions from OTE, DCO Energy LLC, host country investors, preference
>>> capital, loan notes and senior debt. OTE expects that future projects will
>>> follow a similar capital structure, which aims to maximize the returns to
>>> investors for limited risk.”
>>>
>>> OTEC competitors see OTEC News at: http://www.otecnews.org/
>>>
>>> Bluerise
>>> DCNS
>>> Delft University of Technology
>>> Energy Island
>>> ITRI
>>> Kobe Steel
>>> Lockheed Martin
>>> Makai Ocean Engineering
>>> NELHA
>>> NIOT
>>> NOAA
>>> Ocees
>>> OTE Corporation
>>> OTEC International
>>> Saga university
>>> Sea Solar Power
>>> Seawater Greenhouse
>>> US Navy
>>> Xenesys
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce French
>>> Sr. Project Manager
>>> Environmental
>>>
>>>
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