Hi Greg, You are right that CBD should consider the consequences of *not*geoengineering. CDR techniques to reduce the CO2 level in the atmosphere are now mandatory, because there is already an intolerable amount of CO2 in the atmosphere - both for ocean acidification and global warming reasons. Ocean acidification may be an even greater threat to biodiversity than global warming, and so we need to get the atmospheric CO2 level below about 350 ppm within two or three decades.
And what about the implications of not considering geoengineering to cool the Arctic? We have abrupt climate change happening in front of our eyes in the Arctic. The Arctic meltdown in prospect will lead to the loss of an entire ecosystem. It is clear that, in the face of rapid sea ice retreat, the only way to protect the Arctic and preserve its biodiversity is to cool it quickly enough to save the sea ice. This will necessarily involve the deployment of geoengineering techniques, albeit targetted to produce a regional cooling effect. This should be a clear message to the CBD. CBD should be taking a lead in promoting geoengineering to save biodiversity, if that is the true mission of the organisation. But I'm afraid that CBD do not work on the basis of scientific evidence - but on gut feelings that geoengineering is a "bad thing". Let's face it, mankind has been effectively geoengineering for many years by putting so much CO2 in the atmosphere as to alter the Earth System. Now we have employ restorative geoengineering of one kind to remove CO2 and of another kind to cool the Arctic. Cheers, John On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Rau, Greg <r...@llnl.gov> wrote: > Agree. What are the consequences/risks to biodiversity of not > evaluating/considering GE in the face of rising CO2? > Greg > > On 11/20/13 9:01 AM, "Stephen Salter" <s.sal...@ed.ac.uk> wrote: > > >Hi All > > > >Should they also ask for a list of inactivities such as NOT doing a form > >geoengineering which could have helped biodiversity. I am thinking > >things such as not reducing sea surface temperatures to the east of the > >Philippines. > > > >Stephen > > > >- > >Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design School of Engineering > >University of Edinburgh Mayfield Road Edinburgh EH9 3JL Scotland > >s.sal...@ed.ac.uk Tel +44 (0)131 650 5704 Cell 07795 203 195 > >WWW.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs > > > >On 20/11/2013 16:44, Andrew Lockley wrote: > >> > >> > >> > http://climate-l.iisd.org/news/cbd-secretariat-invites-parties-submission > >>s-on-geo-engineering-related-measures/ > >> > >> CBD Secretariat Invites Parties¹ Submissions on > >> Geo-Engineering-Related Measures > >> > >> 12 November 2013: The Secretariat of the Convention on Biological > >> Diversity (CBD) has invited parties to submit information on any > >> measures they have undertaken to ensure that no climate-related > >> geo-engineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place, > >> and to address the exception for small-scale scientific research > >> studies contained in CBD Decision X/33, subparagraph 8(w) on > >> geo-engineering. > >> > >> Information on measures to ensure that no climate-related > >> geo-engineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place > >> until there is an adequate scientific basis to justify such activities > >> and appropriate consideration of the associated risks for the > >> environment and biodiversity and associated social, economic and > >> cultural impacts, as well as on measures that address the exception > >> for small-scale scientific research studies, is to be submitted by 15 > >> February 2014. > >> > >> The notification provides additional information related to agreed > >> language on geo-engineering in the contribution of Working Group I to > >> the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate > >> Change, as well as an amendment to the London Protocol of the London > >> Convention on the Prevention of Marine Pollution by Dumping of Wastes > >> and Other Matter, agreed on 18 October 2013. > >> > >> The amendment is structured to allow other marine geo-engineering > >> activities to be considered and listed in a new annex in the future, > >> if they fall within the scope of the London Protocol and have the > >> potential to harm the marine environment. 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