Bruce etal
 
   1.  Yes,  1000 t/ha is an interesting large number for biochar.  I have seen 
numbers of 250 and 300 t C per ha for terra preta.

   2.  I noted this conference mainly because there are few occasions to see a 
full booklet of biochar abstracts prior to a biochar conference.

   3.  I was a little disappointed, after skimming today.  There was very 
little on geoengineering (on CDR), and a lot called biochar that would not be 
allowed at most biochar conferences.  The term “biochar” was being used for 
biomass total combustion - nothing going into soils. Better the name “bio-coal” 
as in one paper, but still wondering why presented at this conference.  Also 
saw the word “Pyrochar” for the first time; had a very high conversion 
temperature.

   4.  Some of the best geoengineering work re biochar is being done in the UK 
- and I saw nothing from those biochar experts.   There were considerable 
papers from Germany, which has done good biochar work, but most was on what I 
usually see called HTC (Hydrothermal Carbonization), but there also called 
“hydrochar”.  An international nomenclature is not yet worked out - in part 
because of translation difficulties, since the English “charcoal" and “coal” 
have many permutations.

   5. Quite a bit on biochar related to phosphorus and nitrogen retention or 
release, which I have not seen earlier.

   6.  I am afraid that most of the results confirm that biochar will be making 
more sense where the soils are worse than in the Nordic countries.   I saw no 
major downers, but not as many positives as usual.   Still, it is nice to see 
so many working on the topic - and wish I could be there to see more of the 
results that were promised

Ron

On Jan 10, 2014, at 6:27 AM, French, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:

> Regarding the abstracts provided in the announcement for the conference in 
> Finland, on page 10 of your 
> link:http://www.njf.nu/filebank/files/20130405$191103$fil$QsY7Gv05Ha3cMV4m3EYo.pdf
>   “S1-2 Soil nutrient enrichment in a half century old “Terra Preta” in 
> Sweden” discusses the results from biochar additions totaling 1000 t/ha after 
> 50 years; a good window into what might be expected for use by the ag sector 
> (at high latitudes?).  
> Bruce
>  
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ronal W. Larson
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 9:36 PM
> To: Ken Caldeira
> Cc: RAU greg; Geoengineering
> Subject: Re: [geo] Yale blog on SRM
>  
> Ken etal - 
>  
>  see below
>  
> On Jan 9, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Ken Caldeira <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ron,
>  
> Biochar is a storage strategy that can be applied at any scale.  It is 
> possible that biochar could be part of a geoengineering system, but if 
> someone were to set up a little biochar facility in their backyard to improve 
> soil quality and store a little carbon while doing so, few observers would 
> consider this to be a "geoengineering" project.
>       [RWL1:  Agreed, but the field tests are getting bigger rapidly.  When 
> should anyone (especially ETC) be saying they are too big?  An authoritative 
> report on the present status of biochar field testing is 
> http://www.biochar-international.org/sites/default/files/IBI_Field_Studies_Final_May_2013.pdf,
>  which says some are on-going, with reports likely soon.  Mentioned because 
> some are likely soon (I thought already) at 100’s of hectares.
>     I believe the scale of biochar use in Japan could already be called large 
> scale, with dozens of rice hull pyrolysis units selling biochar in large 
> quantities.  
>     But (I hope obviously), I am mainly trying to explore how ETC and others 
> respond to the article's one sentence (below) using the words “CBD” and "any 
> geoengineering"
> 
> 
> Similarly, geologic CO2 storage can be part of a carbon geoengineering (i.e., 
> CDR) system if it were hooked up to a large scale biomass energy facility, 
> and this were replicated at global scale, but geologic CO2 storage in itself 
> is not considered "geoengineering" under most definitions.   
>      [RWL2:  I recognize that the “S” in BECS or BECCS has been used to mean 
> both “storage” and “sequestration”.   I don’t think it should make any 
> difference in my main question of whether the sentence I quoted below about  
> coupling “moratorium” with “any” includes BECS/BECCS.  I think ETC would 
> likely say yes to a moratorium on BECS - but I am interested in opinions on 
> geologic storage as they might affect discussion of biochar, since both 
> require the same resource.   I’d also appreciate hearing more on using 
> “storage” vs “sequestration”.
> 
> 
> I would therefore advocate that biochar be considered a candidate carbon 
> storage medium, and argue that biochar research and experiments do not in 
> themselves constitute geoengineering research and experiments.  I would argue 
> that biochar field experiments are no more geoengineering field experiments 
> than are, say, experiments aimed at looking at carbon stored by 
> reforestation, etc.
>      [RWL3:  Of course I appreciate your efforts to resolve these semantic 
> issues. Thanks for your efforts there.
>      But I still see a difference in a) whether biochar and BECCS are 
> geoengineering and b) how they are to be governed.  I don’t believe anybody 
> benefits if biochar is removed from the list of geoengineering technologies;  
> this is the best forum I know to compare and discuss both SRM and CDR 
> options.  
>      So I have to respectively disagree with your last sentence (and I 
> include reforestation - which use can/must be a major part of biochar 
> discussions).   I don’t see how biochar's inclusion should depend on”research 
> and experiments” (in your first sentence) and full-blown early implementation 
> with financial support (my goal).  But maybe that was not your intent.   
>      A little off topic, but googling to respond on “large scale”, I found an 
> interesting “Nordic Biochar Conference" coming up in about a month in 
> Finland, that I don’t think has been well publicized. Finland could be the 
> first country to really go large scale with biochar.    See
>       
> http://www.njf.nu/filebank/files/20130405$191103$fil$QsY7Gv05Ha3cMV4m3EYo.pdf
>  
>   Again thanks for your response and apologies for disagreeing in part.  Ron
> 
>  
> Best,
>  
> Ken
>  
> 
> _______________
> Ken Caldeira
> 
> Carnegie Institution for Science 
> Dept of Global Ecology
> 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA
> +1 650 704 7212 [email protected]
> http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab  
> https://twitter.com/KenCaldeira
>  
>  
> 
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Ronal W. Larson <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Greg and list:
>  
>   1.  I’ll let others answer the “fair?” question.  In general, I am pleased 
> with what e360.yale have been doing.
>  
>    2.  I mostly was pleased that the word “geoengineering” was mostly (not 
> always) preceded by “solar” in the article cited by Greg.  Not pleased that 
> the word “CDR” never once appears.
>  
>   3.  But in the fourth paragraph from the end, we read (emphasis added):  
> "This led to a 2008 Convention on Biological Diversity moratorium 
> against iron fertilization, which in 2010 was expanded to any geoengineering."
>  
>   4.   To the best of my knowledge, there is no-one anywhere paying attention 
> to this “moratorium” re biochar.  Biochar’s main opponents are even saying 
> there has not been enough testing.  My question is whether ETC (which led the 
> CBD fight) or anyone feels we should pull the biochar community into (an 
> ETC-CBD) line?
>  
> Ron
>  
>  
> On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Greg Rau <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Barking mad or a necessity? Fair and balanced - you decide.
> Greg
>  
> http://e360.yale.edu/feature/solar_geoengineering_weighing_costs_of_blocking_the_suns_rays/2727/?goback=%2Egde_2792503_member_5827066925661843458#%21
>  
>  
> "... Raymond Pierrehumbert has called the scheme "barking mad." "
>  
> "...Robock argues that while modeling and indoor experiments should be 
> pursued, outdoor field trials are problematic. "You can’t see a climate 
> response unless an experiment is so large as to actually be geoengineering," 
> Robock says." 
>  
> "Keith concludes that it "makes sense to move with deliberate haste towards 
> deployment of geoengineering," so long as early work supports the theoretical 
> promise of the technique. Caldeira is less bullish, saying, "Climate change 
> is not going to extinguish us as a species. Geoengineering will always be a 
> decision, not a necessity." "
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