Andrew, list (Adding Tim Kruger as the designated recipient of proposed amendments)
There are 6 paragraphs in the poor copy (found at: http://i.imgur.com/o44piVU.jpg) that was linked in the quoted article. I recognize that some are not happy with this draft. But the effort has been developed by knowledgeable scientists who are trying to move forward. My concern is that this latest only deals with SRM, while the Oxford and Asilomar Principles dealt also with CDR (both are summarized below). There has been considerable discussion on this list on how to separate SRM and CDR. That problem hasn't gone away. So I propose an amendment via a final sentence in the 3rd paragraph: "Carbon dioxide removal and negative emission technologies (CDRs/NETs), although possibly quite different in character from SRM, also being climate geoengineering technologies, should follow the same procedures to the maximum extent possible. RWL comment: I add the last ("maximum extent possible") clause because so much is already happening with some CDRs/NETs without any governmental action. We can't turn back the clock on Oxford principles 1 and 5 (Asilomar 1 and 2). Maybe that wishy-washy final clause will cause some to realize that governance can both prevent harm and "promote collective benefit"; that governance sometimes needs to catch up with positive happenings by helping those positives to accelerate even faster. Oxford Principles (http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs/Climate%20change/Geo-politics/Oxford%20principles.pdf) 2013, based on 2009 draft 1: Geoengineering to be regulated as a public good. Asilomar 1: Promoting collective benefit 2: Public participation in geoengineering decision-making. Asilomar 5: Public involvement and consent 3: Disclosure of geoengineering research and open publication of results. Asilomar 3: Open and cooperative research 4: Independent assessment of impacts. Asilomar 4: Iterative evaluation and assessment 5: Governance before deployment. Asilomar 2: Establishing responsibility and liability Asilomar Principles (http://www.climate.org/PDF/AsilomarConferenceReport.pdf) Nov. 2010 1. Promoting collective benefit Oxford 1: Geoengineering to be regulated as a public good. 2. Establishing responsibility and liability Oxford 5: Governance before deployment 3. Open and cooperative research Oxford 3: Disclosure of geoengineering research and open publication of results. 4. Iterative evaluation and assessment Oxford 4: Independent assessment of impacts. 5. Public involvement and consent Oxford 2: Public participation in geoengineering decision-making. Ron On Aug 18, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Andrew Lockley <andrew.lock...@gmail.com> wrote: > Poster's note : it's a shame that the so-called 'Berlin declaration' has > already been reported worldwide. I haven't spoken to anyone in Berlin who is > openly supportive of the text, or most particularly the process. It's not > come from the conference process, it's not been voted on, it's not been the > subject of formal debate. I'm not even clear what links, if any, it has to > the Royal Society. And yet it is now being quoted in international media. > > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-royal-society-of-london-proposes-framework-for-geoengineering-climate-engineering > > > <snip> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.