Title: Re: [geo] Re: Does CDR provide “moral hazard” for avoiding deep decarbonization of our economy? | Everything and the Carbon Sink

Thanks, Mike.  Of course I agree with you, emissions reductions are critical, zero as quickly as possible.  No part of the problem can get a free pass. 

But the emissions voice has been heard for the past twenty-five years, and will continue to get louder and louder; it's a familiar conversation, one we're all comfortable with, it requires continuing efforts but it's a fundamental climate reflex among those of us who have some understanding of the situation. 

The soil-carbon conversation, on the other hand, is still barely a whisper.  Yet it is every bit as urgent right now, especially because of its rapid potential (in biological cycle times, not geological ones) for removing legacy carbon from the atmosphere.  We're talking about photosynthetic sequestration in soils of ongoing emissions and current atmospheric burdens, not just annual fossil fuel contributions. 

Is it possible? Nobody really knows at this point.  The dominance of the physical sciences in the conversation has not yet made room for biology as a restorative driver of climate.  There are good reasons to believe that Restoring Ecosystems to Reverse Global Warming is possible, and that's what the conference is designed to explore.  Furthermore, there are so many benefits and so little downside and risk that we may come to realize that climate-targeted eco-restoration should move forward with all possible resources and haste. 

First, however, we have to start being focused and serious about having that conversation.

Best,

Adam

On 11/2/2014 10:16 AM, Mike MacCracken wrote:
On this issue of the progress we can or cannot make, there is lots that can readily be done, and we can’t give up pressing hard for it to happen rapidly:

  1. In the US, at least, the estimate is still something like that efficiency improvements with existing technologies having a payback period of 3 years or so could reduce emissions of CO2 about 30%.
  2. As the UNEP-WMO study on black carbon, methane, and tropospheric ozone showed, a reasonable effort could cut the projected warming from the present to 2050 in half. EDF showed a new chart at a Capitol Hill briefing on Thursday indicating how much natural gas leakage in the US could be cut with cost effective (i.e., three year or fewer payback) technologies right now—a huge number. That the US, at least, is hardly trying, is disgraceful.
  3. I just learned that in the national statistics for electricity production, the reason the solar component looks low is that the national compilation only counts the utility solar installations—all the rest going in does not show on their statistics. Well, there is a huge amount of rooftop solar going in and doing very well (my 10 kW rooftop system, for example is giving me something like a 9% guaranteed return and a bit more in actuality—and it is such beneficial outcomes that are leading to rapid proliferation).
  4. On a number of these issues, the lawyers are helping a lot, pushing for regulations, etc. I, for one, am working on a legal declaration for one lawsuit to come soon, and another lawyer contacted me about another one if coming regulation is not adequate—we have to keep at this, hard.

So, I am all for encouraging land uptake of carbon, but if we are not simultaneously pushing for cutting emissions sharply, it really degrades all the effort that needs to be put into land carbon buildup.

So, once more, let’s not circle the wagons and shoot in—we need to be doing everything and not letting anyone off the hook on this.

Best, Mike MacCracken


On 11/2/14 9:42 AM, "Geoengineering" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi All -

I agree with Greg here, and I would venture to say that we need to pay far more attention to photosynthesis and restoring a healthy natural carbon cycle (and accompanying water cycles) on over 12 billion acres of land worldwide.  I suggest that it's the best, safest, cheapest and most effective form of "geo-engineering" that we could ever hope for.  We, including the IPCC, all know that
emissions reductions are insufficient to avoid catastrophic consequences of global warming, some of which are already playing out.  And in any case it's apparent, based on twenty-five years of experience, that serious emissions reductions, despite important progress in non-carbon energy generation, aren't going to happen in any reasonable time frame.

In light of current circumstances, I encourage everyone who is able to attend our upcoming ground-breaking conference, Restoring Ecosystems to Reverse Global Warming <http://bio4climate.org/conference-2014> , on November 21-23, 2014 at Tufts University in the Boston area.  Please pass the word!  We have a remarkable roster of speakers including scientists, land managers and activists in a weekend of discussions around the power and extraordinary benefits of supporting nature's carbon-capture "technology" of photosynthesis.  We'll explore how living processes can bridge political climate conflicts, return legacy atmospheric carbon to soils, reverse desertification and drought, and revive local economies and food supplies worldwide.  Collectively we will make the case of how we've grossly underestimated soil-carbon storage potentials and what to do about it.  

Come, learn, ask questions, bring your expertise, challenge us - together let's work this out!  Early bird rates through November 10th; student, non-profit and other discounts as well as volunteer opportunities are available.

Please contact me if you have any questions, publicly or privately - I hope to see you there!

Cheers!

Adam

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Adam Sacks
Executive Director
Biodiversity for a Livable Climate   <http://bio4climate.org>

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On Saturday, November 1, 2014 5:14:25 AM UTC-4, andrewjlockley wrote:
Poster's note : see images on Web

https://carbonremoval.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/does-cdr-provide-morale-hazard-for-avoiding-deep-decarbonization-of-our-economy/

Everything and the Carbon Sink

Noah Deich's blog on all things Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR)

Does CDR provide “moral hazard” for avoiding deep decarbonization of our economy?

OCTOBER 24, 2014

No. But the fact that some environmentalists question the value of developing Carbon Dioxide Removal (“CDR”) approaches for this very reason merits greater analysis. The “moral hazard” argument against CDR goes something like this: CDR could be a “Trojan horse” that fossil fuel interests will use to delay rapid decarbonization of the economy, as these fossil interests could use the prospect of cost-effective, proven, scaleable CDR technologies as an excuse for continuing to burn fossil fuels today (on the grounds that at some point in the future we’ll have the CDR techniques to remove these present-day emissions).The key problem with this “moral hazard” argument is the hypothesis that “cost-effective, proven, scaleable CDR solutions” are poised to proliferate at greater rates than GHG emission mitigation technologies (such as renewable energy and energy efficiency) that are required to decarbonize our economy. Today, CDR solutions remain largely in their infancy. Installed bio-CCS plants can be counted on one hand, for example, and not a single commercial-scale Direct Air Capture project has been built to date. Renewable energy, however, has had a considerable head start on CDR technologies on reducing costs. Take solar PV systems as an example. As the chart below shows, solar PV panels have dropped in cost from over $75/W to under $0.75/W over the past four decades.

Source: Costofsolar.com

This cost reduction in the price of solar PV panels happens to be exactly what economic theory would predict. Learning curve models show that that costs of energy technologies come down in a predictable fashion as cumulative installed capacity increases. The graph below shows learning curve estimates for a range of energy technologies.

Source: http://energy.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Pages/ArticlesETD.htm

So what does this mean for the “moral hazard” argument against developing CDR solutions?

For this “moral hazard” argument to be valid, we would have to believe that CDR approaches will be able to not only catch up to other renewable technologies in cost within a short-time frame, but then continue to reduce costs more quickly. Otherwise, renewable technologies will continue their inevitable march down their cost curve, and will continue displacing fossil sources in our energy mix.

Suggesting that CDR approaches will outpace other decarbonization technologies doesn’t seem particularly plausible. This is because the technologies that have the “steepest” learning curves are usually those that can be manufactured and installed in assembly-line type manners (like solar PV panels or fuel cells, for example). Most CDR technologies do not fit this mold — for example, large scale bio-CCS projects frequently require many bespoke designs to fit particular plants/geographies. Direct air capture and small-scale biochar pyrolyzers fit this assembly-line model better, but there is no reason to expect these technologies to come down cost curves more quickly than their renewable complementors.In fact, this learning curve analysis would suggest that CDR faces the opposite of a “moral hazard” problem — because CDR remains so far behind other renewable technologies, we will keep building more and more renewables and neglect to develop CDR, which will seem expensive by comparison. Neglecting CDR in this fashion would be fine if we didn’t need negative emissions as a society. But if we find that negative emissions are necessary in a few decades, and we haven’t started developing CDR technologies? Then we are like to find that the initial CDR deployments are incredibly expensive and thus not politically viable. So there is a strong argument to be made for us to start developing CDR technologiestoday alongside renewable energy technologies, so that if/when we need to start removing carbon from the atmosphere, we have a suite of viable solutions to do so.

In conclusion, it’s simply not worth worrying about a “moral hazard” problem that we won’t have for at least decades, and are most likely to never have all — especially when the problems of not developing CDR solutions today could be much more severe.

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