And yet another reasonable statement that in the end seems to me to
overstate (unless one thinks he intentionally used ³predicted² to mean
something different than ³projected²):

³And even at a miniscule scale engineering the climate remains a radical
step with consequences for both the climate and civilization that cannot be
predicted in advance.²

It seems to me there is far greater likelihood of getting reasonable
projections of the effects of  ³miniscule scale engineering² (well, if they
would indeed be above the noise given he says miniscule) than of the details
of large-scale human-induced climate change. And if doing both, it is not
clear to me that the uncertainty of the projections of human-induced climate
change with climate engineering would be greater than of the projections of
human-induced climate change without climate engineering. There are good
reasons for climate engineering, once researched, not being more than a last
ditch option, but it seems to me those arguments are other than it being
more uncertain.

Mike


On 12/12/14 5:23 PM, "Andrew Lockley" <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-geoengineering-can-s
> olve-global-warming/
> 
> Fact or Fiction?: Geoengineering Can Solve Global Warming
> 
> Neither blocking sunlight nor capturing carbon can stop climate change
> 
> December 12, 2014
> By David Biello
> 
> A global deal to combat climate change lurches toward reality in Lima, Peru,
> this week‹and yet any politically feasible agreement will be insufficient to
> restrain continued warming of global average temperatures, perhaps
> uncomfortably high. Although recent pledges by China, the 28 countries of the
> European Union and the U.S. are the first signs of the possibility
> of restraining the endless growth of greenhouse gas pollution on a long-term
> basis, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide have crossed the threshold
> of 400 parts per million‹and will reach 450 ppm in less than two decades at
> present growth rates. The estimated one trillion metric tons of carbon the
> atmosphere can absorb could be burned through in even less time, particularly
> if India, as it develops, picks up where China leaves off by burning coal
> without any attempt to capture the CO2 before the greenhouse gas spews from
> smokestacks. The world may find itself in need of another alternative, such
> as geoengineering, if catastrophic climate change begins to manifest, whether
> in the form of even more deadly heat waves, more crop-killing droughts, more
> rapid rises in sea level or accelerating warming as natural stores of
> carbon‹such as the ocean¹s methane hydrates‹melt down, releasing yet more
> greenhouse gases to drive yet more climate change. So maybe the answer is to
> genetically soup up plants so they can pull more CO2 out of the air and then
> bury them at the sea bottom? Or give the planet a giant sunshade, whether in
> the form of more clouds or a haze of light-reflecting sulfur bits floating in
> the stratosphere? "In a crisis the temptation will be to use the quick fix of
> geoengineering," argued economist Scott Barrett of Columbia University at a
> research symposium on CO2 capture technologies this spring. If civilization
> continues, the unplanned, undirected geoengineering of the climate via burning
> fossil fuels‹whether coal in a power plant or oil sludge in a massive
> container ship steaming across the Pacific‹then perhaps nations will need to
> plan for a directed attempt at geoengineering or the "deliberate, large-scale
> manipulation of the planetary environment" as the U.K.'s Royal Society defines
> it. Still, scientists are starting to agree that geoengineering will prove
> insufficient for solving climate change. To understand this it helps to think
> of two distinct flavors of climate engineering: those that reduce greenhouse
> gases and those that block sunlight to keep the planet cool. The various
> sun-blocking schemes could be fast and cheap, like a fleet of airplanes
> spewingsulfur particles in the stratosphere to mimic the cooling effects of
> volcanic eruptions or an armada of ships brightening clouds by increasing the
> number of water droplets within them. On the other side, carbon removal
> schemes are slow and expensive, such as big air filters to suck CO2 out of the
> sky and bury it, turn it into fuel or otherwise keep it from trapping heat. Or
> the natural processes of rock weathering and plant growth that over geologic
> time constrain climate change could be sped up. The Intergovernmental Panel on
> Climate Change in its most recent comprehensive report suggested that one
> member of this set of ideas‹burning plants paired with CO2 capture and burial,
> aka bioenergy with carbon and capture, or BECCS‹might prove vital to restrain
> global warming. And the U.S. Department of Agriculture provided a $91-million
> loan guarantee in October to a company‹Cool Planet‹looking to build a kind of
> BECCS facility in Louisiana to make biofuels and biochar, a carbon-rich
> residual ash that can be used to improve soil fertility, keeping the carbon
> out of the atmosphere. But neither flavor of geoengineering can serve as a
> solution to climate change.
> 
>  As outlined in the December Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society
> A, sun-blocking schemes require continual refreshing and, at best, only buy
> time for real solutions, such as cutting down on the amount of CO2 piling up
> in the atmosphere as a result of fossil fuel burning, while failing to account
> for other impacts such as the increasing acidity of the oceans. And CO2
> removal schemes could find themselves in a continuous game of catch-up with
> the world's voluminous output of greenhouse gases‹an ever-more onerous burden
> if the world did nothing to restrain global warming pollution. Geoengineering
> could play a role in coping with some of the impacts of climate change,
> perhaps used to cool off the rapidly warming Arctic and save summertime sea
> ice. Or "these strategies might be used throughout the period required to
> replace fossil fuel burning with globally distributed clean energy and even be
> continued while CO2 concentrations remain too high," as atmospheric scientists
> put it in an overview of the Philosophical Transactionsissue. Small-scale
> tests of such techniques are therefore warranted to assess the real risks,
> such as unexpected chemical reactions with the existing mix of atmospheric
> gases, for example. Of course, it took massive emissions of CO2 to detect
> human-caused global warming, suggesting small-scale tests may not reveal much.
> And even at a miniscule scale engineering the climate remains a radical step
> with consequences for both the climate and civilization that cannot be
> predicted in advance. There is no technological fix for global warming other
> than the hard work oftransforming a global energy system that relies on
> burning fossil fuels into one that relies on energy sources‹the sun, Earth's
> heat, fission or, maybe some decade, fusion‹that do not use the atmosphere as
> a dump. The fact that geoengineering cannot suffice is good news because it
> means that a viable form of climate engineering cannot undercut the urgency of
> making that switch. No form ofclimate engineering can solve global warming at
> present. To think so is science fiction.

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