Hi All

Paragraph 5 says that doing nothing about ocean acidity is a risk. Should we object to work on olivine for acidity reduction because it would do nothing about Arctic ice?

There is never a mention of marine cloud brightening or the posibility that, if it was done at the right times and places, the 'redistribution of precipitation in different regions' might even be beneficial.

Did we get 'virtual unanimity in international governance' to cause the problem in the first place?

Stephen


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On 29/06/2015 20:04, Andrew Lockley wrote:

http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/nordhaus-unwittingly-shows-flaws-in-case-for-carbon-tax/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nordhaus-unwittingly-shows-flaws-in-case-for-carbon-tax

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There are two ways to slow climate change, and thereby to reduce the likelihood of catastrophic damages. One is the hard slog of reducing emissions. The other is to use geoengineering that attempts to offset the CO2-induced warming.

Wagner and Weitzman provide an illuminating discussion of the dilemmas of geoengineering. Geoengineering here means management of solar radiation—techniques that reflect sunlight back into space and prevent it from warming the earth’s climate. You can think of the process as making the earth “whiter” or more reflective, so that less sunlight is absorbed by the surface of the earth. This cooling effect will offset the warming that comes from the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere.

The whitening process is similar to what occurs after large volcanic eruptions. After Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines blasted 20 million tons of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere in 1991, global temperatures fell by about half a degree centigrade because the particles reflected sunlight away from the earth. Geoengineering can be understood as creating artificial volcanic eruptions, where several artificial Pinatubo-sized eruptions may be needed every year to offset the warming effects of CO2 accumulation.

Many proposals have emerged to whiten the earth. These, along with many of the ethical, political, national security, and environmental dimensions of such projects, are discussed in a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences. The standard approach is to deliver sulfur-bearing compounds, presumably specially engineered ones that would act as small mirrors, into the lower stratosphere. A number of techniques have been proposed to do this, such as using naval guns, aircraft, or rockets. Recent studies indicate that such geoengineering can lower global temperatures at very low cost relative to other approaches, such as reducing carbon emissions.

Even though the costs are low and the average impacts on temperature are clear, the dangers are frightening, as is emphasized by Wagner and Weitzman as well as by the National Academy report. The NAS committee concludes that climate “modification strategies are limited primarily by considerations of risk, not by direct costs.” Among the risks are the facts that geoengineering does nothing to reduce the ocean acidification caused by increased CO2; that countries would need to keep a program going virtually forever; that there is a mismatch between the cooling and heating effects; and that there is a high likelihood for redistribution of precipitation in the different regions of the world. An effective program would require virtual unanimity in international governance so as to reduce political frictions among countries. [Nordhaus, bold added]

What is fascinating is that if you go to the actual book review and read the full discussion, you will see that people like Weitzman and Nordhaus are discussing whether people should even be conducting cursory research into geoengineering options.

Why in the world would interventionists who think the fate of humanity hangs in the balance not want scientists to broaden the options at our grandchildren’s disposal? What they fear is that if the public realizes there are techniques “on the shelf” that could very quickly and cheaply bring down global temperatures, then it would be hard to get humanity whipped up into a frenzy in spending trillions of dollars to merely reduce the probability of a future unlikely “fat tail” catastrophe.

Remember, the cutting-edge case for aggressive intervention against emissions has stopped trying to claim that a high carbon tax will likely produce large net benefits. For example, in this post I use the latest IPCC report to show that in the most likely future scenario, the economic costs of limiting temperature to 2 degrees Celsius of warming will exceed the benefits of avoided climate change damage.

So already the aggressive interventionists have to make the “fat tail” argument of Weitzman and others—they have to say a disaster might occur if humans keep pumping lots of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. But then in that case, it becomes very relevant to know that one of the leading geoengineering proposals would cost $250 million total to limit Earth’s warming. That’s less than Al Gore’s foundation is spending to “raise awareness” on the issue of climate change.

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