There could be an argument that when your prime political and economic system is capitalist, then profit is your prime guideline for any action. If it makes profit to pollute then you pollute. If carbon is to be removed it has to be profitable.
If it makes profit to do both, then you do both. jon ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Adam Dorr <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 2:10 AM To: Andrew Lockley Cc: geoengineering Subject: Re: [geo] Team launches initiative to develop viable market for waste carbon dioxide | ASU Now: Access, Excellence, Impact I think the notion that "We’ve got to get the tons out of the atmosphere, and we’ve got to make money doing it” may be fundamentally misguided. The total market potential for CO2 as an industrial input is, to a first approximation, at least 2 orders of magnitude lower than the quantity of CO2 that needs to be removed from the atmosphere annually in order to withdraw 1 trillion (with a T) tons by 2100 (a commonly-cited target, and likely too conservative). Unless a massive new source of demand for CO2 emerges, then the only real way to "make money" from carbon withdrawal at the scale necessary to restore atmospheric carbon to pre-industrial levels is going to be with publicly-funded CDR megaprojects. But I agree that market demand can serve as a driver of technological innovation in the nearer term. Adam -- Adam Dorr PhD Candidate University of California Los Angeles School of Public Affairs [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: https://asunow.asu.edu/20170606-solutions-asu-carbon-renewal-team-economic-opportunities ASU Now: Access, Excellence, Impact<https://asunow.asu.edu/> [image title] <https://asunow.asu.edu/20170606-solutions-asu-carbon-renewal-team-economic-opportunities#> <https://asunow.asu.edu/20170606-solutions-asu-carbon-renewal-team-economic-opportunities#> <https://asunow.asu.edu/20170606-solutions-asu-carbon-renewal-team-economic-opportunities#> <https://asunow.asu.edu/20170606-solutions-asu-carbon-renewal-team-economic-opportunities#> <mailto:?subject=Team%20launches%20initiative%20to%20develop%20viable%20market%20for%20waste%20carbon%20dioxide&body=Here%20is%20a%20link%20to%20Team%20launches%20initiative%20to%20develop%20viable%20market%20for%20waste%20carbon%20dioxide:%20https://asunow.asu.edu/20170606-solutions-asu-carbon-renewal-team-economic-opportunities> Solutions<https://asunow.asu.edu/topics/now/solutions> Team launches initiative to develop viable market for waste carbon dioxide Tempe campus<https://asunow.asu.edu/topics/news/locations/tempe-campus> <https://asunow.asu.edu/20170606-solutions-asu-carbon-renewal-team-economic-opportunities#><https://asunow.asu.edu/20170606-solutions-asu-carbon-renewal-team-economic-opportunities#> Can we take CO2 out of the air & make money doing it? ASU up for the challenge. June 6, 2017 ASU partnering with Center for Carbon Removal, other research institutions to find economic opportunities in climate challenge How do you create a way to take carbon out of the air and make money doing it? It’s a wicked problem that will take decades to solve. One member of a team tasked with tackling it compared it to creating agriculture. The Center for Carbon Removal, in partnership with Arizona State University and several other research institutions, launched an audacious initiative this week with the goal of developing solutions that transform waste carbon dioxide in the air into valuable products and services. “Solving a problem with a solution that doesn’t exist” is how Julio Friedmann described it. “We have urgency around this task,” said Friedmann, a senior fellow at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who serves as the lab’s chief expert in energy technologies and systems. He recently served as principal deputy assistant secretary for the Office of Fossil Energy at the Department of Energy. “I’m seeing windows of opportunity start to close. … We’ve got to get the tons out of the atmosphere, and we’ve got to make money doing it.” In addition to ASU, universities involved in the initiative include Iowa State and Purdue, both of which have strong agricultural, forestry and economics programs as well as leading engineering, materials science and environmental science programs. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory also participated in the launch event for this initiative and has extensive expertise in alternative energy and new fuel sources. “We are talking about nothing less than a paradigm shift,” said David Laird, professor of agronomy at Iowa State and an expert in the interactions between soil and biochar, charcoal used as a soil amendment. Noah Deich, executive director of the Center for Carbon Removal, said that this initiative for a “New Carbon Economy” is urgently needed to “develop new businesses and reinvent the industries that powered the last industrial revolution — like manufacturing, mining, agriculture and forestry — to create a strong, healthy and resilient economy and environment for communities around the globe.” [Carbon sequestration team meets] The idea for the carbon-economy initiative came from discussions between Noah Deich (pictured Tuesday at the team workshop in Tempe), executive director of the Center for Carbon Removal, and ASU President Michael Crow on ways to rethink the climate challenge as a new economic opportunity. Photo by Charlie Leight/ASU Now At the launch event, assembled partners agreed to produce a roadmap that will outline the specific steps for translating relevant research into business and policy action. The roadmap will consider design principles for engaging multiple parts of the economy in capturing and concentrating carbon dioxide, ranging from biological approaches such as agriculture and forestry, to engineered approaches such as fuel, chemical and material manufacturing using carbon dioxide as a feedstock. “There are maybe 100 people in the world who can talk about a carbon economy at the scale we’re talking about,” said Roger Aines, a senior scientist in the Atmospheric, Earth and Energy Division at Lawrence Livermore. “It’s a brand-new thing.” The idea for the initiative came from discussions between Arizona State University President Michael Crow and Deich on ways to rethink the climate challenge as a new economic opportunity. “Today there are a number of voices, narratives and uncertainties that challenge us in developing a focused innovation agenda for dealing with the growth of atmospheric carbon dioxide,” said Betsy Cantwell, ASU vice president for research development. “Working together with the Center for Carbon Removal, we will develop a roadmap leading to real, valuable and lasting uses for carbon in the air. 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