Hi Alan,

Probably worth emailing Clive Hamilton directly, he writes fairly often on 
the topic and may re-use this claim unless made aware of the problem.

Pete 

On Wednesday, 3 July 2019 13:04:40 UTC-4, Alan Robock wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I would just like to point out that *my views are erroneously portrayed 
> here. * The article says, "Some atmospheric scientists, like Dr Alan 
> Robock at Rutgers University, argue that the complexity of the climate 
> system means that it’s difficult to draw firm conclusions about the 
> consequences of such a radical intervention. They point out that the 
> chemistry of the upper atmosphere – including the ozone layer – is 
> complicated and poorly understood. Reducing the amount of sunlight reaching 
> the Earth in a computer model may give little clue as to what would happen 
> in the actual climate system if a layer of sulphate aerosols were injected 
> into it."
>
> *Actually, I "argue" (to use their jargon) the opposite.*  Climate models 
> are our best tools to examine the impacts of stratospheric aerosols.  The 
> chemistry of the upper atmosphere is well understood.  Climate model 
> results do tell us what would happen, and we evaluate them all the time 
> with observations and the response to volcanic eruptions.  I don't know how 
> they got me so wrong.  If I thought that, why would I spend so much time 
> using and analyzing the results of climate models?
>
> Alan
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> On 7/3/19 4:59 AM, Andrew Lockley wrote:
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>
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> https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-earth/could-geoengineering-cause-a-climate-war/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
>  
>
> Could geoengineering cause a climate war?
> If country leaders manipulate the weather to do their bidding, could they 
> create political tensions, or even all-out war?
> 4 weeks ago
> By Clive Hamilton
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> Update 17/06/19: This article has been updated to include the alternative 
> view by Peter Irvine, which originally appeared in the April 2018 issue of 
> BBC Focus Magazine.
>
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> Climate change is a problem in desperate need of a solution. According to 
> the authoritative Carbon Action Tracker, even if all nations honour their 
> pledges to cut their greenhouse gas emissions, the globe will still warm by 
> around 3.2°C by 2100 – with catastrophic consequences for humanity and the 
> animal kingdom.
>
> If cutting greenhouse gas emissions isn’t enough, is it time for a plan B? 
> Recent times have seen a surge of interest in geoengineering: China has 
> recently embarked on a substantial research plan, while in the US, Prof 
> David Keith of Harvard University is planning to launch a high-altitude 
> balloon this year to test the feasibility of spraying reflective particles 
> into the stratosphere. Meanwhile, other researchers are looking at the 
> possibility of increasing the brightness of marine clouds to reflect more 
> sunlight back into space.
>
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> The unsung heroes of climate change
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> But there are a number of risks, and not just because we’re unsure about 
> how effective these interventions would be. There are fears that one 
> country’s efforts to solve its climate problem could inadvertently mess up 
> the weather elsewhere, creating a new source of political tension. And 
> ultimately, this leads to a worrying question: could we be looking at the 
> dawn of a new kind of war – one fuelled by a battle for dominance over our 
> planet’s climate system?
>
> The problem with geoengineering
> Geoengineering is defined as a deliberate, large-scale intervention in the 
> climate system, and schemes come in two varieties. The first type aims to 
> remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. This can be done by capturing it 
> from the air using natural or artificial means; making biochar (a type of 
> charcoal) from vegetation waste; or adding lime to the oceans to reduce 
> their acidity and therefore maintain their ability to absorb carbon dioxide 
> from the atmosphere. The greatest hurdle for these schemes lies in finding 
> somewhere to permanently store the huge quantities of carbon. The deep 
> ocean offers one possible solution, but we’re still a long way from a 
> feasible method of doing this.
>
> The second kind of geoengineering scheme is known as solar radiation 
> management or albedo modification. These techniques look to reflect a small 
> amount of sunlight away from the planet to reduce warming. Some of these 
> proposals are relatively benign, but also pretty ineffective. The 
> technology receiving most attention – and the one most likely to be 
> deployed because it’s cheap and feasible – is known as sulphate aerosol 
> spraying.
>
> Large volcanic eruptions can cool the planet by preventing a little solar 
> radiation from reaching us. Some geoengineering schemes work in a similar 
> way © Getty Images
> Large volcanic eruptions can cool the planet by preventing a little solar 
> radiation from reaching us. Some geoengineering schemes work in a similar 
> way © Getty Images
> The idea is to spray sulphur dioxide or sulphuric acid into the 
> stratosphere or upper atmosphere to form tiny particles that reflect an 
> extra 1 to 3 per cent of incoming solar radiation back into space, thereby 
> cooling the planet in the way that large volcanic eruptions are known to do.
>
> In effect, humans would be installing a radiative shield between the Earth 
> and the Sun: one that could be adjusted by those who control it to regulate 
> the temperature of the planet. The models indicate that if we reduced the 
> amount of sunlight reaching the planet, the Earth would cool fairly 
> quickly, although with less effect at the poles, which are warming more 
> rapidly.
>
> A 2010 study published in Nature Geoscience found that, under a solar 
> geoengineering regime, there would be different responses across large 
> regions, making consensus about how much to reduce incoming solar radiation 
> difficult, if not impossible.
>
> Some atmospheric scientists, like Dr Alan Robock at Rutgers University, 
> argue that the complexity of the climate system means that it’s difficult 
> to draw firm conclusions about the consequences of such a radical 
> intervention. They point out that the chemistry of the upper atmosphere – 
> including the ozone layer – is complicated and poorly understood. Reducing 
> the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth in a computer model may give 
> little clue as to what would happen in the actual climate system if a layer 
> of sulphate aerosols were injected into it.
>
> Read more:
>
> Is climate change going to make flights bumpier?
> Could climate change turn Earth into Venus?
> One worry is that, combined with increased water vapour as a result of 
> global warming, adding sulphates to the upper atmosphere could be a lethal 
> cocktail for ozone loss, speeding up chemical reactions that destroy this 
> crucial gas. Other studies indicate that, depending on the kind of aerosol 
> spraying programme, the South Asian and East Asian monsoons could be 
> disrupted. Tropical rainfall depends on differences between temperatures on 
> land and sea, and some models show that by changing the temperature ratio 
> between land and sea, solar geoengineering could suppress monsoon rains, 
> affecting food supplies for millions of people.
>
> However, global warming itself is changing precipitation patterns around 
> the world (broadly speaking, dry regions are becoming drier and wet ones 
> wetter) so a solar shield may improve rainfall in some regions that are 
> drying out. It’s here we get to some of the most difficult issues 
> associated with geoengineering.
>
> Unknown unknowns
> If the most sophisticated models cannot provide a firm answer regarding 
> how solar geoengineering would affect the actual global climate, nor can 
> experiments. Only full-scale implementation would provide a clear idea of 
> its impacts.
>
> Even then, we’d need at least 10 years of global climate data before we 
> had enough information to separate out the effects of sulphate aerosol 
> spraying from natural climate variability and, indeed, from the effects of 
> human-induced climate change. To compound the risks, if after 10 years we 
> had accumulated enough data to decide that our intervention was not a good 
> idea, it may be impossible to terminate the solar shield. Why should this 
> be so?
>
> Cloud- seeding substances, which provide nuclei around which clouds can 
> precipitate, being blasted from a plane © WEBB CHAPPELL, FLPA
> Cloud- seeding substances, which provide nuclei around which clouds can 
> precipitate, being blasted from a plane © Webb Chappell, FLPA
> For some time, ecologists have known that the rate at which the globe 
> warms is a greater threat to ecosystems than the amount of warming, because 
> a slower rate of warming gives plants and animals more time to adapt. If 
> the solar shield causes some nasty unintended effects (including conflict 
> between nations), removing it suddenly would cause the suppressed warming 
> ‘rebound’. It’s been estimated that if warming occurs at a rate of 0.3°C 
> per decade (well within the estimated rebound range) then only 30 per cent 
> of ecosystems could adapt and survive.
>
> So we may find that, once deployed, removing the shield becomes too risky; 
> we’d be stuck with it. The danger would be multiplied if we failed to take 
> the opportunity to cut greenhouse gas emissions sharply while the shield 
> was in place. This is perhaps the greatest hazard of going down this path.
>
> Politics, politics
> Some technologies are inherently political in the sense that they increase 
> the power of those who control it and reduce the power of those excluded 
> from it. Imagine if the US government decided to install a solar shield 
> that allowed it to regulate the climate. The government would wield great 
> power over all those US industries that depend on the weather, while also 
> being able to influence the climate in other parts of the world, creating 
> immediate strategic tension.
>
> Paradoxically, solar geoengineering can also be seen as a means of 
> preserving social and political structures that are threatened by measures 
> to cut carbon emissions. Instead of taxing fossil fuels, banning coal 
> mining and restricting air transport, those profiting from these activities 
> might welcome a technofix like sulphate aerosol spraying.
>
> Emissions from the steel industry contribute towards air pollution. 
> Average global temperatures have risen by more than 1°C since before the 
> Industrial Revolution © Getty Images
> Emissions from the steel industry contribute towards air pollution. 
> Average global temperatures have risen by more than 1°C since before the 
> Industrial Revolution © Getty Images
> Indeed, in the US, conservative think tanks that have been at the 
> forefront of climate science denial have shown an interest in solar 
> geoengineering. It’s cheap and protects any vested interests. 
> Geoengineering promises to turn a drastic failure of the free enterprise 
> system into a triumph of human ingenuity. And they are more inclined to 
> agree with Prof David Keith that an artificial Earth shaped by humans is 
> not intrinsically inferior to a natural one.
>
> At a deeper level, the implicitly autocratic nature of global climate 
> regulation has an appeal to those on the political right just as it 
> frightens those on the democratic left. It’s hard to imagine a government 
> in charge of a solar geoengineering project holding a referendum on whether 
> the Earth’s temperature should be reduced by one degree or two.
>
> The control of the Earth’s weather could become the responsibility of a 
> kind of ‘Climate Regulation Agency’, staffed by a technocratic elite whose 
> task would be to continuously collect a vast array of weather information, 
> feed it into data systems, separate out the effects of the solar shield 
> from other factors, and advise the relevant department as to how many 
> planes loaded with sulphur dioxide should be sent up next week and where 
> they should dump their loads.
>
> Climate wars
> Military planners recognise climate change as a ‘threat multiplier’. US 
> defence chiefs, among others, have incorporated a changing climate into 
> their military planning and equipment supply. Climate change is expected to 
> create political instability; indeed, some experts believe that climate 
> change-induced drought, high food prices and migration to cities nudged 
> Syria into civil war.
>
> If that’s true – and we can only guess at how much conflict there might be 
> in a world 3°C warmer – mitigating warming by geoengineering ought to 
> create a more peaceful world. But it’s not so straightforward.
>
> When hit by a devastating flood, drought or storm, a community will tend 
> to see it as an act of God – a natural event that it just has to cope with. 
> But what if we believed that the death and destruction were caused not by 
> nature but by someone manipulating the weather? If another nation were 
> engineering the climate, its politicians’ denials would fall on deaf ears, 
> and not just because humans naturally look for someone to blame. If a 
> nation had embarked on a system-altering form of climate engineering like 
> sulphur dioxide spraying, it would be virtually impossible to work out 
> whether an extreme weather event somewhere in the world was due to natural 
> variability, human-induced climate change or climate manipulation. And 
> climate manipulation would quite likely get the blame.
>
> A farmer squats in a dried-up pool in Huangpi District of Wuhan, Hubei 
> Province, China © Shutterstock
> A farmer squats in a dried-up pool in Huangpi District of Wuhan, Hubei 
> Province, China © Shutterstock
> The government of China, faced with a catastrophic drought in the north of 
> the country, might decide its survival demanded rapid global cooling. But 
> sending up planes to spray sulphur dioxide might deprive India and Pakistan 
> of their monsoon rains, bringing on famine. Three nuclear-armed nations 
> would then be in conflict over weather patterns that affect the survival of 
> millions of their citizens.
>
> It’s hard to know who might first be tempted to regulate the global 
> climate. Given the severe environmental and geopolitical risks, and the 
> deep ethical divide over whether humans should ‘play God’, governments in 
> democratic countries may be hamstrung. Authoritarian leaders who do not 
> need public approval to act may have a freer hand. Do we want Vladimir 
> Putin or Xi Jinping controlling our weather?
>
> Listen to the Science Focus Podcast:
>
> How can we save our planet? – Sir David Attenborough
> What’s going on with the weather? – Dann Mitchell
> A dictator with his hand on the global thermostat is a scary prospect. But 
> imagine if several poorer nations (let’s say Bangladesh, Tuvalu, the 
> Maldives and Ethiopia) clubbed together and declared: “The rich countries 
> that caused global warming promised to cut their emissions, but they have 
> not done so. Our people are dying, so we must take unilateral action. We 
> are sending up a fleet of planes to spray sulphur dioxide.”
>
> Now the moral calculus leaves us uncertain what to think. Don’t they have 
> the right to save themselves from an existential threat, even if by risky 
> means? What would it mean for floods and storms in other countries? Would 
> the United States or China be entitled to shoot down their planes?
>
> Reaching a consensus to regulate the Earth’s climate would, in the words 
> of a 2013 study, “pose immense challenges to liberal democratic politics”. 
> But then, liberal democratic politics does not have a great record 
> responding to climate change, either. The elected president of the US, 
> Donald Trump, has announced that his country will be pulling out of the 
> Paris Agreement, an action that will slow emissions reductions and expose 
> millions of people, especially poorer individuals, to the devastating 
> effects of a warming world.
>
> In the circumstances, the only acceptable answer is a global agreement to 
> regulate research into geoengineering. If it ever comes to deployment, 
> conflict could be avoided only if an inclusive international institution 
> makes the decision. Without it, one nation would control the climate of 
> others, and those others will be tempted to engage in their own 
> ‘counter-geoengineering’. And then we really are in trouble.
>
> An alternative view
> Peter Irvine is a climate scientist at Harvard University who researches 
> solar geoengineering. He argues that the benefits of the technology could 
> outweigh the risks
>
> I’ve been working since 2009 to understand the potential and limits of 
> geoengineering, and Clive Hamilton paints a picture of this technology that 
> I simply do not recognise. To address climate change, carbon dioxide 
> emissions will have to be driven to zero, but however fast emissions are 
> cut, the climate will still warm considerably over the 21st Century. It’s 
> here that stratospheric aerosol geoengineering could prove an extremely 
> useful tool.
>
> Higher temperatures mean more intense heatwaves; they mean air carries 
> more moisture, causing more intense floods; and they mean more melting of 
> the glaciers, driving up sea levels. Reducing temperatures will reduce 
> these risks, and our work has shown that it doesn’t make much difference 
> whether this is done by lowering emissions or by cooling from solar 
> geoengineering. This doesn’t mean geoengineering should be a replacement 
> for emissions cuts – indeed, it may introduce some new risks of its own – 
> but it would help to offset some of climate change’s worst impacts.
>
> Clive points to the potential dangers of geoengineering reducing monsoon 
> rainfall, but his picture is incomplete. Water availability depends not 
> only on how much rain falls but also on how quickly it evaporates in the 
> heat of the day. The same climate models that show that geoengineering 
> would reduce rainfall also show that it would reduce evaporation, 
> potentially leading to more, not less, water availability for people, crops 
> and ecosystems.
>
> Clive also claims that, because climate control would require detailed 
> technical knowledge to manage, it would somehow lead to the technocrats 
> taking over. Yet our lives depend on the technocrats who manage our 
> electricity grids, our water supply, our transport systems and our 
> internet, and still our societies remain robustly democratic.
>
> Clive portrays geoengineering as an idea born of Cold War hubris and 
> pushed by right-wing climate deniers. Instead, I see a well-intentioned 
> proposal that is being critically evaluated by hundreds of researchers 
> around the world, from disciplines as diverse as engineering, economics and 
> international law. Rather than coming from shadowy right-wing think tanks 
> of fossil-fuel interests, funding for geoengineering research comes mostly 
> from governments (which reflects a societal demand for this knowledge) and 
> environmentally minded philanthropists.
>
> Outside of academia, there are also exciting developments. The Solar 
> Radiation Management Governance Initiative is an international NGO that’s 
> working to empower scientists and policy makers in developing countries to 
> engage with geoengineering, while in New York, the Carnegie Climate 
> Geoengineering Governance Initiative (led by Janos Pasztor, the former 
> climate science adviser to Ban Ki-moon) aims to bring this topic to the 
> attention of international policy makers at the UN and beyond.
>
> The ratification of the Paris Agreement and the stunning developments in 
> solar and wind power in recent years show that the world has the will and 
> is developing the tools to tackle climate change. Even so, international 
> cooperation in this area remains a notoriously difficult process: the 
> benefits of cutting emissions are global and will be felt in the long run, 
> whereas the costs are felt here and now. So even though all countries agree 
> that they want to limit the impacts of climate change, each country 
> benefits the most by doing the least.
>
> For geoengineering, the picture is completely different. The costs of 
> geoengineering are low, its effects will be felt quickly, and they’ll be 
> global in scope. This means that governments will have a real incentive to 
> work together to realise the potential benefits of geoengineering.
>
> So the reality of this technology is rather different from the worst-case 
> scenario pictured by Clive Hamilton. We now need a concerted international 
> and interdisciplinary research effort into geoengineering, and we shouldn’t 
> let pessimistic fears get in the way of exploring an idea that might really 
> help in the fight against climate change.
>
> This article was first published in April 2018
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