How do you undertake meaningful development without field testing?
A useful comparison that was used to defeat a ban on using animals to train surgeons. It was done as an ad, “ Today the doctor will do life or death surgery on your daughter. Today is the first time he has operated in reality and the first time that he has carried this operation. Previously he would have learned using animals but this has been banned. Do you want this future?” It is stupid to think that we can develop what is likely to be an essential technology without actual field trials. And the idea that we will try it at scale with to testing or ramp up is not remotely creditable. David Sevier Carbon Cycle Limited 248 Sutton Common Road Sutton, Surrey SM3 9PW England Tel 44 (0) 208 288 0128 www.carbon-cycle.co.uk From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of H simmens Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 5:42 PM Cc: hsimm...@gmail.com; Doug Grandt <answerthec...@mac.com>; Planetary Restoration <planetary-restorat...@googlegroups.com>; healthy-planet-action-coalition <healthy-planet-action-coalit...@googlegroups.com>; geoengineering <geoengineering@googlegroups.com>; John Nissen <johnnissen2...@gmail.com>; Robert Tulip <rob...@rtulip.net>; Robert Chris <robertgch...@gmail.com>; Rebecca personal em <rebecc...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [geo] Michael Mann - SIRIUS - geoengineering For those who may have missed Michael Mann's conversation an hour ago, there was not surprisingly little new. He did clearly and unambiguously support more research into solar geo engineering as long as it does not involve field testing. He invoked the familiar bogeymen - adverse unintended consequences, termination shock and moral hazard as reasons why it should not be deployed. He did not distinguish between SAI and other methods. To Smerconish’s credit he did bring up mount Pinatubo and Mann acknowledged that it lowered temperatures. There was absolutely no discussion as is typical of these conversations of the relative risks and benefits of solar geoengineering versus ERA/emission reductions alone. By the way Smerconish is one of the very few talk programs with a large base of listeners that is down the middle politically. You may be able to listen to the conversation at the link below, though you may need to be an XM subscriber. The conversation starts at 11:05 am. <https://player.siriusxm.com/now-playing> SiriusXM Player: Online Radio, Music, Sports, News, Podcasts & Talk <https://player.siriusxm.com/now-playing> player.siriusxm.com <https://player.siriusxm.com/now-playing> Herb On Feb 14, 2023, at 8:46 PM, H simmens <hsimm...@gmail.com <mailto:hsimm...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi Jim, I’m sure I speak for all of us in our support of your revised ‘and more forthright’ paper, and your ‘no holds barred’ book. Your courageous climate honesty is truly an inspiration. Herb Herb Simmens Author A Climate Vocabulary of the Future @herbsimmens On Feb 14, 2023, at 8:30 PM, James Hansen <jimehan...@gmail.com <mailto:jimehan...@gmail.com> > wrote: Not yet -- first will submit revised Pipeline paper soon -- clearer with some additional insight, IMHO, and hopefully more forthright w/o losing any co-author or reviewer - will be no holds barred in my book. Jim Hansen On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 8:16 PM H simmens <hsimm...@gmail.com <mailto:hsimm...@gmail.com> > wrote: Good catch Doug. Smerconish to his credit is the only mainstream radio talk show host who regularly brings on climate scientists and alas it’s almost always Michael Mann. Smerconish is usually deferential to Mann so I don’t expect much pushback when he excoriates Geo engineering. I’ve got a friend who has a connection with Smerconish, so let me see if I can find a way to get him to bring on another establishment climate scientist next time - like Jim Hansen! Herb Herb Simmens Author A Climate Vocabulary of the Future @herbsimmens On Feb 14, 2023, at 8:00 PM, 'Doug Grandt' via Healthy Planet Action Coalition (HPAC) <healthy-planet-action-coalit...@googlegroups.com <mailto:healthy-planet-action-coalit...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: This should be interesting … or infuriating Michael Mann posted the following on his Facebook page this afternoon Wednesday 11am (EST), 4pm (UK) Thursday 3am (AEDT) I'll be talking about geoengineering with the great Michael Smerconish, tomorrow (Wednesday) 11am ET, SiriusXM: <https://www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics?fbclid=IwAR3rCncUIJH9U4Q5uAFd1Dgity1-IOY7kI_jnlSLs9Js6fVHN24wOkIQdVE&mibextid=Zxz2cZ> POTUS Politics <https://www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics?fbclid=IwAR3rCncUIJH9U4Q5uAFd1Dgity1-IOY7kI_jnlSLs9Js6fVHN24wOkIQdVE&mibextid=Zxz2cZ> siriusxm.com Click LISTEN LIVE You may have to get the App if you don’t already subscribe. I did … hope it works!! 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