Herb, thanks for the further explanation.

David, the two statements are totally consistent.  Your confusion is unsurprising, you're reflecting the current Western neoliberal neoclassical worldview.  But it's run its course and we all need to recognise that and move on  Not doing so will just bring the system collapse forward..

Regards

Robert


On 08/04/2023 17:32, H simmens wrote:

 Another way to articulate what Robert said is to  quote  Keynes:

“Anything we can actually do we can afford.”

Economics can help guide us on the most resource sparing means to achieve a goal, but the setting of the goal is inherently value based and politically mediated.

It seems that there are at least three possible goals with respect to the climate crisis:

Our current goal - Avoid the worst impacts by limiting temperature increases to well below 2° C by 2100 even if we temporarily exceed that goal-

Avoid the activation of tipping points by limiting temperature increases to well below 2° at all times by shaving peak temperatures

Restoring a healthy climate by limiting temperature increases to well below 1° C


Herb

Herb Simmens
Author A Climate Vocabulary of the Future
@herbsimmens

On Apr 8, 2023, at 9:13 AM, David desJardins <[email protected]> wrote:


On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 4:59 AM Robert Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

    David, no matter what the goal may be, it is always economically
    realistic.

    So long as global warming is mediated through an economic lens,
    the likelihood of a happy ending is pretty remote.

I'm confused. Don't these two statements contradict one another?
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