Robert-

Thank you for helping promote our common work together. It means a lot to
me and, I'm sure, to our colleagues.

Good questions:
1. *Is iron chloride (used for methane oxidation) a viable iron
distribution method alongside iron sulfate?* For now I say 'no', because it
is distributed as an aerosol, thus the amount that falls into the ocean is
too unpredictable--it's a function of rainfall. For the first 10 years or
so, we'll need to control the iron distribution carefully, dissolving
the iron from the ship so its effects can be measured. We'll probably want
to always do that, even though nature distributes  the iron quite randomly
from dust storms (and wildfires like in Australia in 2019).

However, reports (personal communication) from the 2012 Haida test suggest
that fine iron oxide works at least as well as iron sulfate. That's food
for thought.

2. *Do we need to tackle albedo (solar radiation management, or SRM) in
coordination with rapid CO2 removal?* I express that thought this way:

*SRM can only be considered after we've committed to restoring safe CO2
levels.* That is because while CO2 levels are increasing, the termination
shock (rapid warming when SRM is halted for any reason), would lead to a
bad extinction event. Extinction events tend to be related to rapid
warming, and SRM termination under today's net-zero policy would lead to
warming of 1-2 degrees in 1-2 years, 100 to 1000 times faster than during
previous extinction events
<https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/639#:~:text=The%20PETM%20involved%20more%20than,of%20carbon%20into%20the%20atmosphere.>
(also
here
<https://www.google.com/search?q=how+fast+did+the+planet+warm+during+extinction+events&sca_esv=ac6fa508b23b1f1a&sxsrf=AM9HkKkH2CCKGX8g4Vf1RxmotpkJ6xcVgQ%3A1703221717858&ei=1RmFZYD3M9yMwbkPnPeruA4&ved=0ahUKEwjAtd2ro6KDAxVcRjABHZz7CucQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=how+fast+did+the+planet+warm+during+extinction+events&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiNWhvdyBmYXN0IGRpZCB0aGUgcGxhbmV0IHdhcm0gZHVyaW5nIGV4dGluY3Rpb24gZXZlbnRzMgUQIRirAjIFECEYqwJIhSBQpAxY5x1wAXgBkAEAmAGrAaABxBKqAQQwLjE3uAEDyAEA-AEBwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICBRAhGKABwgIFECEYnwXiAwQYACBBiAYBkAYI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#:~:text=Thresholds%20of%20temperature,nature%20communications%20%E2%80%BA%20articles>
).

The termination shock is quite likely to happen as today's collapse of
ecosystems, political systems, social systems and economics systems
accelerate exponentially.  So statistically, it's a very bad bet for
humanity unless we're restoring CO2 levels. *Without restoration, we're far
better off with gradual warming and without the extinction event that SRM
termination would likely cause.*

However:

If we're restoring CO2 levels, then the risk of termination shock will be
essentially prevented. This is because oceans and ecosystems would be
recovering every year--leading to our social systems steadily recovering
each year. After 15 or 20 years no SRM would be needed at all because CO2
and global warming would be back to what it was 50-100 years ago.

So I urge everyone to discuss climate restoration, not SRM. Only allow SRM
after climate restoration has become the climate goal. It's life or death.
The experts I talk to (David Keith and Doug MacMartin) agree that it would
only take 2-5 years to implement SRM, once CO2 restoration has been started.

Thank you for asking. I welcome any further questions.

Peter

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> Your Pinatubo Project to get interested nations to test iron for fisheries
> restoration will generate excellent data under sound and safe governance.
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> I have two questions.
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> Do you see iron chloride as a viable initial distribution method alongside
> iron sulphate?
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> Do you agree we need to tackle the immediate albedo problem of the
> darkening of the planet in coordination with the carbon restoration journey?
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> Robert Tulip
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