On Apr 8, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

>> <snip />
>
>> I also do not mind the level of collaboration; I would like to make
>> sure that we use the same visual metaphor (even if we need to produce
>> a different image due to intended use).
>>
>> Could you explain what you mean here?
>
> Sure; right now you have:
> - http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk/export/1/trunk/geosilk/ 
> vector.png
>
> And vector database:
> - 
> http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk/export/1/trunk/geosilk/database_vector.png
>
> And vector server (ie wfs):
> - http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk/export/1/trunk/geosilk/server_vector.png
>
> The vector server combines the image of a silk/vector.png and the
> image of silk/server.png. These two images are visual metaphors; which
> you combine to when creating other icons.
>
> Looking at the eclipse guidelines they call this "core icon concepts
> now" - their explaination is better than mine.
>
> So a really "easy" level of collaboration is to link our two pages;
> and make sure we have similar "core icon concepts"; I am under some
> restrictions on modifiers/overlays (like add and delete) in your
> example - but there is no reason we cannot keep the same visual ideas
> going. Adding a link to your page now.

Sounds great to me. My hope is that by keeping the same core concepts  
people will be able to move between OpenGeo / GeoExt apps and things  
like uDig without needing to relearn the visual language. I added an  
icon for repository today and made a table similar to your "Standard  
Eclipse Metaphors". Are there any other core concepts that you think  
need to be addressed?

>> I hope these ideas are useful? Do you have a wiki page on geosilk to
>> take notes etc?
>>
>> Just made it: http://projects.opengeo.org/geosilk/
>
> Nice presentation; and you document the naming convention - just what
> was needed.
>
> A couple bits of feedback; I try and be very strict on the 16x16 icons
> so they can be told appart. Looking at your page on my screen from
> four feet away I find the following:
> - the map/add map / delete map icons really look like they are crossed
> out; the "\" shape is all the eye can picks up on.
> - I see how you based the map on the slik "picture"
> - Looking closely I now see the "\" line is a road; and the "+" and
> "-" symbols mask the second road making the result look like a "\" -
> if you the second road higher the modifier will not interfear
> - the add/delete modifiers are too similar to tell apart at that
> distance (they both end up round and I am color blind); one of the
> reasons a green "+" and a red "x" is used on the udig side. I see that
> you get these from silk so their is not much to be done.

Yeah, I like how the Eclipse guidelines use position in addition to  
color to get around the colorblindness issues. Unfortunately Silk  
doesn't do a similar thing. :(

—R
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