I could write a blog post about this if no one else volunteered.  I'd be 
curious to see what people's reactions are (if any) to the bundling of 
GWC.  Personally, I'm all for it, but I like software that does lots of 
things right out of the box.  :)

There's another suggestion that this brings up.  Perhaps if we're going 
to do a "bundle" release of GS+GWC, perhaps we should go full tilt on 
it, and include _all_ of the extensions.  That way the people who want 
plain vanilla get it by default, and those people (like me, and possibly 
others) who want everything in one simple download, get that as an 
option too.

$0.002,
Mike

* Why do people think vanilla is plain, anyway?

Chris Holmes wrote:
> 
> 
> Justin Deoliveira wrote:
>> Fair enough, good arguments for making it part of the default distro. 
>> I just always think that a very lean and plain core with extensions 
>> makes for a nice architecture. But from a product/functionality 
>> standpoint it makes sense to include it.
>>
>> However I do think a plain geoserver with no frills is something that 
>> people might want. I could be wrong here... i would be interested in 
>> hearing some users take on this. Perhaps we can can call it 
>> geoserver-vanilla-bin.zip and make it another artifact.
>>
> Sure.  Maybe do a blog post with a poll or something?  I think it could 
> be of interest, though the counter point is that no one has ever asked 
> for it or even complained about the size of GeoServer (except for me 
> when I was in Africa).
> 
>> If it is to be included then suggest we move it from a 
>> community/extension module... and just into main. For one so that we 
>> don't have to remember to build releases with the geowebcache profile, 
>> and two it will mean that extensions we put up for download match 
>> extensions modules in the code base.
>>
> Sure.  If it's a bitch to do this week I think we might just do the 
> release with the profile, and be sure to move before the next release.
> 
> C
> 
>> -Justin
>>
>> Chris Holmes wrote:
>>> What do you mean by an artifact with gwc baked in?  Like a set of 
>>> binary downloads that geoserver+gwc-1.7.0?
>>>
>>> I think it makes sense to start including gwc directly in the default 
>>> release, not forcing people to download a separate jar and plug it 
>>> in. For one the KML super overlay code relies on it directly.  And 
>>> eventually I'd like to make it so our layer preview uses gwc directly 
>>> - with it automatically killing the cache when you change the config 
>>> or the style or do a transaction. Then geoserver will always tile 
>>> things by default, which I think is a huge win.
>>>
>>> It should be kept as a separate module, but I think it should be 
>>> included in the release.  I see it as more on the level of like WCS, 
>>> a service that should ship by default.  Eventually we may make a 
>>> slimmed down release, but for now we already include the kitchen sink.
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>> Justin Deoliveira wrote:
>>>> Hi Arne,
>>>>
>>>> How do you want to go about including it? Like baking it directly 
>>>> into the release? I myself would like extensions to be kept as 
>>>> extensions, downloadable separately. However I am all for including 
>>>> an additional artifact with gwc "baked" in.
>>>>
>>>> -Justin
>>>>
>>>> Arne Kepp wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> for the upcoming RC release of GeoServer 1.7.x we would really like 
>>>>> to include the GeoWebCache module to demonstrate new superoverlay 
>>>>> functionality (for Google Earth and other KML clients).
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone object / feel we need to go through a more formal process?
>>>>>
>>>>> It does not modify code in GeoServer, the memory footprint is tiny 
>>>>> and it uses HTTP to communicate with the core. If invoked, it 
>>>>> creates a "gwc" folder in the data directory or the temp directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Arne
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