Justin,

the working group is yet to receive all the change requests and has been 
discussing which to discuss [1]. Looks like there are some that are 
similar to your concerns. When I have them, I will compare the change 
requests to GSIP 61 and see if there are any outstanding issues.

Kind regards,
Ben.

[1] "Treebeard: You must understand, young Hobbit, it takes a long time 
to say anything in Old Entish. And we never say anything unless it is 
worth taking a long time to say."
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0074878/quotes


On 21/01/12 00:23, Justin Deoliveira wrote:
> No I never did... it was something that fell off. Any chance we can just 
> point them at the GSIP? Not sure i have the time to interact with the working 
> group unfortunately.
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Ben 
> Caradoc-Davies<[email protected]>  wrote:
> Justin,
>
> did you submit your GSIP 61 findings to the OGC WFS/FES SWG? It has started 
> meeting. The web form is below (the link provided by Simon). I am sure the 
> group will appreciate your input.
>
> I am an observer on the SWG. I have raised the startIndex issue (clarify zero 
> or one-based index).
>
> Kind regards,
> Ben.
>
>
> On 26/10/11 14:43, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> That would be great!
>
> On 26/10/11 14:10, Justin Deoliveira wrote:
> Sure I will try to gather my thoughts on this... at a client site this
> week so might not be until end of week.
>
>
> On 25/10/11 15:35, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> If you have time to submit a couple of bullet points and a link to your
> GSIP 61 page on the OGC web form below, you will ensure that the OGC SWG
> are at least aware of your findings as the principal implementer of
> GeoServer WFS 2.0. I suspect that they will find your work most useful.
>
> If you lack the time and are willing to risk my misinterpretation,
> please let me know and I will submit your findings on behalf of the
> project.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ben.
>
> On 25/10/11 15:26, Justin Deoliveira wrote:
> Similar issues have been brought up on the wfs-dev list I believe...
> and the spec writers have been open to amending them. There is also a
> constraint in the capabilities document in which one can declare
> whether paging is transaction safe... and we set that to false... so
> perhaps the spec is poorly worded perhaps. Regardless though it seems
> pointless if all the legitimate implementations of wfs 2.0 don't
> implement it.
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Ben
> Caradoc-Davies<[email protected]>  wrote:
> Justin, perhaps you could submit a WFS 2 change request to encourage
> OGC to change the spec to what you were able to reasonably implement? :-D
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: GeoServer WFS 2.0 limitations
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:39:58 +0800
> From: Simon Cox
>
> Submit a WFS 2.0 Change Request to explicitly relax this requirement.
> https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/change_request.php
> It's just a web form.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Caradoc-Davies
> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 4:56 PM
> To: Simon Cox
> Subject: GeoServer WFS 2.0 limitations
>
> FYI
>
> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/GSIP+61+-+WFS+2.0
> "WFS 2.0 adds the ability to page results of a GetFeature request via
> the startIndex and maxFeatures parameters. The WFS specification
> actually implies that a service must maintain consistent paging results
> in the light of transactions, but such a restriction is very difficult
> to implement and implies that the server be able to store large results
> in memory, or maintain database transactions between requests which goes
> against the stateless nature of WFS all together. For this reason we
> ignore this requirement in our implementation."
>
> --
> Ben Caradoc-Davies<[email protected]>
> Software Engineer
> CSIRO Earth Science and Resource Engineering
> Australian Resources Research Centre
>
>
>
> --
> Justin Deoliveira
> OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
> Enterprise support for open source geospatial.
>
> --
> Ben Caradoc-Davies<[email protected]>
> Software Engineer
> CSIRO Earth Science and Resource Engineering
> Australian Resources Research Centre
>
>
>
> --
> Justin Deoliveira
> OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
> Enterprise support for open source geospatial.
>
>

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <[email protected]>
Software Engineer
CSIRO Earth Science and Resource Engineering
Australian Resources Research Centre

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