On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Andrea Aime <andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it>wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Chris Holmes <chol...@opengeo.org> wrote:
> > Hey guys, wanted to figure out what's kosher for promoting an online
> > training we're doing on 'Advanced GeoServer' -
> > http://geoserver.eventbrite.com/ on November 19th
> >
> > Was thinking we could do something similar to our jobs postings, where we
> > give a day or two for anyone on the list to respond with what they're
> doing.
> > In this case can link to specific events. And can also link to any
> company
> > that is offering training. I found http://www.geo-solutions.it/services/-
> > is there a better one? Like a dedicated page similar to
> > http://opengeo.org/products/training/ Anyone else know of training
> > offerings?
> >
> > Would that work for people? I think it's the next stage of maturity for
> the
> > project, not just getting jobs using GeoServer, but multiple companies
> > offering training.
>
> I fully agree that showing training options in the front page, maybe via
> a new "training" page would be a very good move and a show of
> strenght, and we should probably add in the same page references to
> books that contain material about GeoServer.
>
>
Cool. I was more thinking periodic blog posts in the style of 'jobs'. But
how about both? I'll make a training page, which all are welcome to
contribute to. I'll email the users list as well to see if anyone else is
doing anything. And then I'll make a blog post announcing it, and include
in that any upcoming training dates.
Sound good?
> About making announcements on the user mailing list training by training,
> I don't know.
> How is that different from company X announcing "MyPimpedGeoServer 2.0",
> a product based on GeoServer with some extras?
>
> I mean, training in the end it's a commercial product too.
>
>
I see your point. But I guess I'd draw the line at training vs. products
that build on GeoServer. Training is a product that without a doubt
enhances the ecosystem. And the more people are trained the better for the
whole community. And at some level MyPimpedGeoServer 2.0 'competes' with
the community GeoServer. Training in no way 'competes'.
I suppose one rule could be that the training has to be straight GeoServer.
Nothing about 'extra' tools that aren't community modules / extensions. So
no GeoBatch, no Analytics module (though we could adjust that to be no
proprietary add-ons, if we want a different line). I'd say it could be ok
to use a MyPimpedGeoServer 2.0, but the training can't be about any
features that aren't available to general GeoServer users.
Note for this training it does meet those criteria, but likely future ones
of ours will not, as we'll want some classes that show off some of our
'extras'. But with this rule then we wouldn't be allowed to email the
user's list.
> Thinking out loud here, how about putting an events calendar in the wiki
> page talking about training, make a blog letting the world know about this
> new page, but avoid advertising each single event on the user list?
>
>
I can definitely go for that. I worry a bit though at the moment that we
won't have enough 'events', and that the second geoserver training won't
get as much attention. Or are you suggesting that every time someone has an
individual event they'd be allowed to email the user's list about the page?
Where likely only their event would show up?
I guess I feel this might be a premature optimization - we don't actually
have enough events yet. I think it could make more sense to start with
letting people email the list, and then if it gets overloaded with training
'announcements' (advertisements) then we'd shift to that.
> I'm ready to be convinced otherwise, I just find it hard to draw a line
> between
> a training program and a product based on GeoServer.
>
>
Sure, I want to find that line, which is why I wanted to start this
discussion. So I'm totally flexible too, just want to figure out what level
works.
With obvious bias I actually do think it makes sense to be liberal now and
be more conservative if we get overwhelmed with training announcements. For
us this is still an experiment, trying to figure out if there is any sort
of market for advanced training. Right now we've had 2 registrations, and
we need more to justify even giving the class. If we are successful in this
attempt then other companies will know that they can possibly offer similar
things. But it may be we just don't have the market yet. But giving any
company willing to try the best chance of success seems to me a good course
of action, and then tailor it back once it does become annoying. But I
think that having too much training may be one of those 'good problems to
have'. Not being able to find enough options to learn the technology is one
of the primary criticisms of open source, and I'd love to have a robust
market around GeoServer to be able to say we have more training options
than our proprietary competitors.
Again, just playing devil's advocate here, I definitely see the other side
too, so I'm happy for any consensus we reach.
C
> Cheers
> Andrea
>
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