Hi all,
not sure if you're following this thread on the OSGeo mailing lists.
Maybe an occasion to renew our official OGC certifications?
Cheers
Andrea
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From: Luis Bermudez <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re:
Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: Bruce Bannerman <[email protected]>
Cc: Mark Reichardt <[email protected]>, "
[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Hi Bruce
> It is in OGC's interests to have a range of open source implementations
that are certified to act as reference implementations and to guide others
on what is possible.
Fully Agree. This is very important for OGC standards and in particular to
the OGC Compliance Program. More applications we have passing the tests
makes our standards stronger.
Both the CITE P&P [1] and the MoU with OSGeo [2] provide incentives for
reference implementations.
Let me know which tests and which applications to start the process to get
them certified.
[1] http://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/49237
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MoU_OGC
- Luis
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On Oct 30, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Bruce Bannerman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mark, Luis,
>
> Please see my question to Carl below.
>
> As per below, is there anything that OGC can do to assist OSGeo Projects
with the certification process?
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Carl Reed <[email protected]>
> Organization: OGC
> Date: Thursday, 31 October 2013 9:26 AM
> To: Bruce Bannerman <[email protected]>
> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, George
Percivall <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re:
[OSGeo-Standards] Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Bruce -
>
> Thanks for the email. I know that the CITE fee structure is being
discussed. However, I do not know the details as I am not part of that
discussion. Luis Bermudez and Mark Reichardt can provide more up to date
information on CITE fees. Sorry that I cannot be more helpful.
>
> Cheers
>
> Carl
>
>
> From: Bruce Bannerman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:09 PM
> To: Carl Reed
> Cc: [email protected] ; George Percivall
> Subject: OGC Certification of OSGeo Projects [was Re: [OSGeo-Standards]
Follow up from OSGeo board meeting] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Carl,
>
> Wearing both my OSGeo and OGC TC hats, is there anything that OGC can do
to assist open source projects get certified, e.g. waive certification fees?
>
> Most projects do not have much in the way of funds behind them. They
mainly have just volunteer time and effort.
>
> It is in OGC's interests to have a range of open source implementations
that are certified to act as reference implementations and to guide others
on what is possible.
>
> As an OGC implementing organisation that utilises open source software,
we'd like to see the projects that we use certified, however we are not in
a position to fund the certification process for them.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> From: Jody Garnett <[email protected]>
> Date: Wednesday, 30 October 2013 10:50 PM
> To: Even Rouault <[email protected]>
> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] Follow up from OSGeo board meeting
>
>
>> Regarding certification, I went to read a bit on OGC site and found that
:
>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark
>>
>> So the fee is not a one time thing, but a yearly one, and depends on the
>> "organization" revenue. This makes me wonder on how it could translate
for our
>> community projects, let's take MapServer as an example. What is the
>> organization behind MapServer : OSGeo, any company offering services
around
>> MapServer... ?
>
>
>> OGC licencing fee scheme seems to be designed for companies that have a
>> distribution monopoly on the product being certified.
>> If certification fees would be waived for the OSGeo project iself, what
would
>> it mean for companies offering services around it : could they reuse the
>> sticker on their web site, or should they pay the fee ?
>
> Just so, so we should probably take down our GeoServer sticker - since it
does not represent testing of the bundle we currently distribute.
>
> As for your actual question - you may have to consider the difference
between project and product.
>
> The GeoServer community offers a download (i.e. a product) which could be
certified by OSGeo (perhaps at a reduced rate depending on how well the
board negotiates).
>
> The same component is actually included in several other products:
> - Boundless OpenGeo Suite
> - GeoSolutions GeoServer Enterprise
> - OSGeo GeoNetwork Open Source
>
> As long as it is not the community doing the packaging, the above
products would not get the sticker. If they are using the component as
published by the community (say out of a maven repository) a downstream
project (i.e. GeoNetwork) or distribution (OSGeo Live) should be able to
indicate an GeoServer as an OGC certified component (i.e. it has passed
testing).
>
> Still we are down in the weeds here - the goal is to provide a motivation
for projects to join OSGeo, being in position to have their releases
certified would be a good win. Even just being able to mark projects that
have done some testing is a decent win. Can you think of any others?
>
>> > 2) Recognise testing beyond that the OGC is in position to offer, for
>> > example Client certification is not available.
>> >
>> > This testing can probably only be offered against OSGeo projects such
as
>> > GeoServer and MapServer, and can be used to promote that "cross project
>> > interoperability" we are supposed to be focusing on.
>>
>> Client certification is indeed a difficult topic. You can have a WFS
client that
>> works fine when being used with a WFS server that delivers simple
features
>> ("flat" organization of attributes), but that won't be able to understand
>> complex features ( e.g. Inspire schemas ). This is not just a theoretical
>> example ;-)
>
> Hence the sticker indicating what the client was tested with. I am not
aware of any general purpose open source clients for complex features,
simply nobody has been willing to pay for them :D
>
> Jody
>
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