Hi! I am happy to see this issue getting some attention. I was a bit surprised at the apparent indifference shown earlier in the thread. But I cannot be the only one who has contributed on Transifex the last few years, believing that the work was used for Geoserver builds. As it seems, the language files have been maintained as external text files, which would be overwritten by older data if extracted from Transifex today. For all I know, the structure of the Transifex resources may well be outdated too. I tried to explain this earlier in the thread. The matter right now is more complicated than simply creating a Transifex > Github process. I still think Transifex is the best tool for volunteer UI contribution, and I also believe that some decision must have been made at some point to enable a localized UI. Let us stick to that. But the quality and consistency of the translation is important as well, especially since Geoserver users cannot switch UI language independently. For my part, I see that the Swedish translation needs a lot of work to be comprehensible. I have no idea of the state for other languages. Maybe we should start by comparing the languages available in Transifex with the languages that have updated *.properties files on GitHub. There are resources for 42 languages, but only 14 in GitHub. But it may be that localizers make local builds using their own Transifex data?
Regards, Mats.E <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virusfritt. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#m_-8402125986016781221_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> Den ons 3 nov. 2021 kl 10:21 skrev Alexandre Gacon < alexandre.ga...@gmail.com>: > I managed to contact Frank, which promoted me as admin of the project in > Transifex. I could try to configure GitHub integration but I will need the > help of one of admin of the GeoServer GitHub project to complete the setup. > > Alexandre > > Le mer. 3 nov. 2021 à 09:37, Alexandre Gacon <alexandre.ga...@gmail.com> > a écrit : > >> Hello, >> >> About this translation topic, I would like to share some thoughts: >> - In my experience, administration tools are not often translated in >> another language (for example, in the ESRI world, the ArcGIS Server admin >> tool is not translated. In the Windows world, Windows Server is generally >> installed in English). So it is interesting to wonder if the GeoServer UI, >> which is an admin UI, should be translated, like Andrea suggested. >> >> - If the translation activity has to be maintained, we should describe >> how this activity is organised: >> - Which collaboration tool should be used? Since people involved in >> translation are currently used to Transifex, I see little value in moving >> to Weblate, since Transifex also offers integration with GitHub (it could >> be interesting to activate it). On the other hand, it means to be able to >> access the settings of the project on Transifex, which is only possible for >> one people today Frank Gasdor. >> >> - Currently, Transifex contains all the files for all the components in >> GeoServer, including community extensions. I think that we should separate >> the translation activities between core/official extensions and community >> extensions to focus the translation effort on the main project. >> >> I will try to contact Frank Gasdor to see if he could allow me to become >> admin of the GeoServer project of Transifex to see what is possible on >> GitHub integration. >> >> Regards >> Alexandre >> >> Le mar. 2 nov. 2021 à 21:47, Andrea Aime < >> andrea.a...@geosolutionsgroup.com> a écrit : >> >>> Also, let me sweeten the pot a little bit: if someone steps up and >>> manage the translations, I'll write a language switcher control :-D >>> Weblate seems to automate the creation of PRs too, so maybe if an export >>> from transifex was possible, then the actual amount >>> of work for the "translation manager" would be significantly reduced. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Andrea >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 3:29 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for your patience last week Andrea in researching what needed to >>>> be done, and reviewing the subsequent pull request. >>>> >>>> Mats you are correct that translation is important, while transifex is >>>> useful / popular I recently received feedback >>>> <https://github.com/metadata101/iso19139.ca.HNAP/pull/191> on another >>>> pull request asking to consider https://weblate.org/en/ as an open >>>> alternative. >>>> >>>> I now know enough about transifex to review any pull request made to >>>> improve our process >>>> <https://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/developer/translation.html>. >>>> -- >>>> Jody Garnett >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 at 06:52, Andrea Aime < >>>> andrea.a...@geosolutionsgroup.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 1:05 PM Mats Elfström < >>>>> mats.elfst...@giskraft.se> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> I am confused here. >>>>>> You wrote:"That would have broken all property file editors (ones >>>>>> that are aware of what a property file is)." >>>>>> I was merely responding to a request from you:"We'll need someone to >>>>>> checkout GeoServer, re-encode all translation files to UTF8, and make a >>>>>> PR." >>>>>> Which was what I was preparing to do, with Notepad++, and nobody >>>>>> protested. Apparently, the problem could be fixed in another way. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> During the last GeoServer PSC meeting Jody and I sat down and looked >>>>> at the issue with some patience and time (one hour of investigation, >>>>> unlike the 5 minutes we can afford when answering here on the list). >>>>> Turns out Java property files should not be encoded as UTF-8, but as >>>>> ISO-8859-1, by Java specification itself (see somewhere here in the >>>>> javadoc >>>>> https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/11/docs/api/java.base/java/util/Properties.html >>>>> ). >>>>> So, the problem had to be addressed in a different way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Some scripting will be necessary. The Geonetwork team has provided >>>>>> scripts to download and distribute language files, but translators should >>>>>> not have to be bothered with adding their work to the repo. This should >>>>>> be >>>>>> done by the release team, shortly before release. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We barely have the personnel to do releases (as you can see by release >>>>> dates regularly slipping by due to lack of volunteers). >>>>> We won't be able to also take on this, period. Someone other than the >>>>> current core developers must step up and do it. >>>>> This presentation might give you some perspective on what we are >>>>> talking about, when we say "busy": https://t.co/y69loP6RpJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> * Conclusion >>>>>> I think localization is important to spread Open source software. For >>>>>> instance, QGIS is available in over 40 languages. >>>>>> I think Transifex is a very useful tool, and it is sad that the work >>>>>> done there for Geoserver has been neglected and brought into disrepair. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The work was started and managed outside of the core dev team >>>>> (thankfully, otherwise it would not have happened at all, see above). >>>>> Unfortunately the volunteer that bridged the two worlds disappeared. >>>>> We need a new one. >>>>> Writing the scripts is going to be only one of the tasks this person >>>>> is tasked with, another issue is being present on Transifex, and get >>>>> a feeling of which translations (out of the many) can actually be >>>>> contributed to the project >>>>> >>>>> Andrea >>>>> >>>>> == >>>>> GeoServer Professional Services from the experts! >>>>> >>>>> Visit http://bit.ly/gs-services-us for more information. >>>>> == >>>>> >>>>> Ing. Andrea Aime >>>>> @geowolf >>>>> Technical Lead >>>>> >>>>> GeoSolutions Group >>>>> phone: +39 0584 962313 >>>>> >>>>> fax: +39 0584 1660272 >>>>> >>>>> mob: +39 333 8128928 >>>>> >>>>> https://www.geosolutionsgroup.com/ >>>>> >>>>> http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Con riferimento alla normativa sul trattamento dei dati personali >>>>> (Reg. UE 2016/679 - Regolamento generale sulla protezione dei dati >>>>> “GDPR”), >>>>> si precisa che ogni circostanza inerente alla presente email (il suo >>>>> contenuto, gli eventuali allegati, etc.) è un dato la cui conoscenza è >>>>> riservata al/i solo/i destinatario/i indicati dallo scrivente. Se il >>>>> messaggio Le è giunto per errore, è tenuta/o a cancellarlo, ogni altra >>>>> operazione è illecita. 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