I download the tar file from
http://www.java2s.com/Code/Jar/c/Downloadcommonsvfs20jar.htm , copied to
WEB-INF/LIB and now the LayerUploadPanel plugin works well.
Thanks
2014-09-29 10:45 GMT-03:00 Chris Snider <[email protected]>:
> When we see an error such as this, it is because either a) we forgot a
> jar file during a copy process, or b) there are more than one version of
> the jar file available to the application and the wrong one was loaded by
> the class loader.
>
>
>
> Check your WEB-INF/lib for the expected jar. If it is missing, add it.
> If there are multiple versions of the same jar, rename the oldest version
> (usually the correct route) and restart the service.
>
>
>
> Chris Snider
>
> Senior Software Engineer
>
> *Intelligent Software Solutions, Inc.*
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description:
> cid:[email protected]]
>
>
>
> *From:* pablo zader [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:22 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [Geoserver-users] rest/imports 405 Method Not Allowed
>
>
>
> Update:
>
>
>
> I notice that I needed to install the import plugin, which had assumed
> that was installed. I download the plugin from here (
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/geoserver/files/GeoServer/2.5.2/) and add
> it to geoserver.
>
>
>
> Now another problem happens with LayerUploadPanel plugin:
>
>
>
> POST http://localhost:9080/geoserver/rest/imports/0/tasks?expand=all 500
> (Server Error)
>
>
>
> and the error complete is:
>
>
>
> "<h1>Estado HTTP 500 - Handler processing failed; nested exception is
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/vfs/FileSelector</h1><hr
> size="1" noshade="noshade"><p><b>type</b> Informe de
> Excepción</p><p><b>mensaje</b> <u>Handler processing failed; nested
> exception is java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
> org/apache/commons/vfs/FileSelector</u></p><p><b>descripción</b> <u>El
> servidor encontró un error interno que hizo que no pudiera rellenar este
> requerimiento.</u></p><p><b>excepción</b>
> </p><pre>org.springframework.web.util.NestedServletException: Handler
> processing failed; nested exception is java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
> org/apache/commons/vfs/FileSelector
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doDispatch(DispatcherServlet.java:972)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doService(DispatcherServlet.java:852)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.processRequest(FrameworkServlet.java:882)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.doPost(FrameworkServlet.java:789)
>
> javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:646)
>
> javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:727)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.ThreadLocalsCleanupFilter.doFilter(ThreadLocalsCleanupFilter.java:27)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter$Chain.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:74)
>
>
> org.geoserver.wms.animate.AnimatorFilter.doFilter(AnimatorFilter.java:70)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter$Chain.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:70)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:45)
>
>
> org.geoserver.platform.AdvancedDispatchFilter.doFilter(AdvancedDispatchFilter.java:49)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:311)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.intercept.FilterSecurityInterceptor.invoke(FilterSecurityInterceptor.java:116)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.intercept.FilterSecurityInterceptor.doFilter(FilterSecurityInterceptor.java:83)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.ExceptionTranslationFilter.doFilter(ExceptionTranslationFilter.java:113)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.authentication.www.BasicAuthenticationFilter.doFilter(BasicAuthenticationFilter.java:201)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerBasicAuthenticationFilter.doFilter(GeoServerBasicAuthenticationFilter.java:82)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.context.SecurityContextPersistenceFilter.doFilter(SecurityContextPersistenceFilter.java:87)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerSecurityContextPersistenceFilter$1.doFilter(GeoServerSecurityContextPersistenceFilter.java:52)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:173)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.GeoServerSecurityFilterChainProxy.doFilter(GeoServerSecurityFilterChainProxy.java:134)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.filter.DelegatingFilterProxy.invokeDelegate(DelegatingFilterProxy.java:346)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.filter.DelegatingFilterProxy.doFilter(DelegatingFilterProxy.java:259)
>
> org.geoserver.filters.LoggingFilter.doFilter(LoggingFilter.java:75)
>
> org.geoserver.filters.GZIPFilter.doFilter(GZIPFilter.java:42)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SessionDebugFilter.doFilter(SessionDebugFilter.java:47)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.FlushSafeFilter.doFilter(FlushSafeFilter.java:43)
>
>
> org.vfny.geoserver.filters.SetCharacterEncodingFilter.doFilter(SetCharacterEncodingFilter.java:109)
>
> </pre><p></p><p><b>causa raíz</b> </p><pre>java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
> org/apache/commons/vfs/FileSelector
>
> org.geoserver.importer.Directory.unpack(Directory.java:92)
>
> org.geoserver.importer.Directory.accept(Directory.java:393)
>
>
> org.geoserver.importer.rest.TaskResource.handleMultiPartFormUpload(TaskResource.java:176)
>
>
> org.geoserver.importer.rest.TaskResource.handlePost(TaskResource.java:88)
>
> org.restlet.Finder.handle(Finder.java:296)
>
>
> org.geoserver.rest.BeanDelegatingRestlet.handle(BeanDelegatingRestlet.java:37)
>
> org.restlet.Filter.doHandle(Filter.java:105)
>
> org.restlet.Filter.handle(Filter.java:134)
>
> org.restlet.Router.handle(Router.java:444)
>
> org.geoserver.rest.RESTDispatcher$1.handle(RESTDispatcher.java:204)
>
>
> com.noelios.restlet.ext.servlet.ServletConverter.service(ServletConverter.java:129)
>
>
> org.geoserver.rest.RESTDispatcher.handleRequestInternal(RESTDispatcher.java:86)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.AbstractController.handleRequest(AbstractController.java:153)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.SimpleControllerHandlerAdapter.handle(SimpleControllerHandlerAdapter.java:48)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doDispatch(DispatcherServlet.java:923)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doService(DispatcherServlet.java:852)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.processRequest(FrameworkServlet.java:882)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.doPost(FrameworkServlet.java:789)
>
> javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:646)
>
> javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:727)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.ThreadLocalsCleanupFilter.doFilter(ThreadLocalsCleanupFilter.java:27)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter$Chain.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:74)
>
>
> org.geoserver.wms.animate.AnimatorFilter.doFilter(AnimatorFilter.java:70)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter$Chain.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:70)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:45)
>
>
> org.geoserver.platform.AdvancedDispatchFilter.doFilter(AdvancedDispatchFilter.java:49)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:311)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.intercept.FilterSecurityInterceptor.invoke(FilterSecurityInterceptor.java:116)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.intercept.FilterSecurityInterceptor.doFilter(FilterSecurityInterceptor.java:83)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.ExceptionTranslationFilter.doFilter(ExceptionTranslationFilter.java:113)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.authentication.www.BasicAuthenticationFilter.doFilter(BasicAuthenticationFilter.java:201)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerBasicAuthenticationFilter.doFilter(GeoServerBasicAuthenticationFilter.java:82)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.context.SecurityContextPersistenceFilter.doFilter(SecurityContextPersistenceFilter.java:87)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerSecurityContextPersistenceFilter$1.doFilter(GeoServerSecurityContextPersistenceFilter.java:52)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:173)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.GeoServerSecurityFilterChainProxy.doFilter(GeoServerSecurityFilterChainProxy.java:134)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.filter.DelegatingFilterProxy.invokeDelegate(DelegatingFilterProxy.java:346)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.filter.DelegatingFilterProxy.doFilter(DelegatingFilterProxy.java:259)
>
> org.geoserver.filters.LoggingFilter.doFilter(LoggingFilter.java:75)
>
> org.geoserver.filters.GZIPFilter.doFilter(GZIPFilter.java:42)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SessionDebugFilter.doFilter(SessionDebugFilter.java:47)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.FlushSafeFilter.doFilter(FlushSafeFilter.java:43)
>
>
> org.vfny.geoserver.filters.SetCharacterEncodingFilter.doFilter(SetCharacterEncodingFilter.java:109)
>
> </pre><p></p><p><b>causa raíz</b>
> </p><pre>java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
> org.apache.commons.vfs.FileSelector
>
>
> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader.loadClass(WebappClassLoader.java:1720)
>
>
> org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader.loadClass(WebappClassLoader.java:1571)
>
> org.geoserver.importer.Directory.unpack(Directory.java:92)
>
> org.geoserver.importer.Directory.accept(Directory.java:393)
>
>
> org.geoserver.importer.rest.TaskResource.handleMultiPartFormUpload(TaskResource.java:176)
>
>
> org.geoserver.importer.rest.TaskResource.handlePost(TaskResource.java:88)
>
> org.restlet.Finder.handle(Finder.java:296)
>
>
> org.geoserver.rest.BeanDelegatingRestlet.handle(BeanDelegatingRestlet.java:37)
>
> org.restlet.Filter.doHandle(Filter.java:105)
>
> org.restlet.Filter.handle(Filter.java:134)
>
> org.restlet.Router.handle(Router.java:444)
>
> org.geoserver.rest.RESTDispatcher$1.handle(RESTDispatcher.java:204)
>
>
> com.noelios.restlet.ext.servlet.ServletConverter.service(ServletConverter.java:129)
>
>
> org.geoserver.rest.RESTDispatcher.handleRequestInternal(RESTDispatcher.java:86)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.AbstractController.handleRequest(AbstractController.java:153)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.SimpleControllerHandlerAdapter.handle(SimpleControllerHandlerAdapter.java:48)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doDispatch(DispatcherServlet.java:923)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doService(DispatcherServlet.java:852)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.processRequest(FrameworkServlet.java:882)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.doPost(FrameworkServlet.java:789)
>
> javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:646)
>
> javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:727)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.ThreadLocalsCleanupFilter.doFilter(ThreadLocalsCleanupFilter.java:27)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter$Chain.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:74)
>
>
> org.geoserver.wms.animate.AnimatorFilter.doFilter(AnimatorFilter.java:70)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter$Chain.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:70)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SpringDelegatingFilter.doFilter(SpringDelegatingFilter.java:45)
>
>
> org.geoserver.platform.AdvancedDispatchFilter.doFilter(AdvancedDispatchFilter.java:49)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:311)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.intercept.FilterSecurityInterceptor.invoke(FilterSecurityInterceptor.java:116)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.intercept.FilterSecurityInterceptor.doFilter(FilterSecurityInterceptor.java:83)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.access.ExceptionTranslationFilter.doFilter(ExceptionTranslationFilter.java:113)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.authentication.www.BasicAuthenticationFilter.doFilter(BasicAuthenticationFilter.java:201)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerBasicAuthenticationFilter.doFilter(GeoServerBasicAuthenticationFilter.java:82)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:68)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.context.SecurityContextPersistenceFilter.doFilter(SecurityContextPersistenceFilter.java:87)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerSecurityContextPersistenceFilter$1.doFilter(GeoServerSecurityContextPersistenceFilter.java:52)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter$NestedFilterChain.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:72)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.filter.GeoServerCompositeFilter.doFilter(GeoServerCompositeFilter.java:91)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy$VirtualFilterChain.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:323)
>
>
> org.springframework.security.web.FilterChainProxy.doFilter(FilterChainProxy.java:173)
>
>
> org.geoserver.security.GeoServerSecurityFilterChainProxy.doFilter(GeoServerSecurityFilterChainProxy.java:134)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.filter.DelegatingFilterProxy.invokeDelegate(DelegatingFilterProxy.java:346)
>
>
> org.springframework.web.filter.DelegatingFilterProxy.doFilter(DelegatingFilterProxy.java:259)
>
> org.geoserver.filters.LoggingFilter.doFilter(LoggingFilter.java:75)
>
> org.geoserver.filters.GZIPFilter.doFilter(GZIPFilter.java:42)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.SessionDebugFilter.doFilter(SessionDebugFilter.java:47)
>
>
> org.geoserver.filters.FlushSafeFilter.doFilter(FlushSafeFilter.java:43)
>
>
> org.vfny.geoserver.filters.SetCharacterEncodingFilter.doFilter(SetCharacterEncodingFilter.java:109)
>
> </pre><p></p><p><b>nota</b> <u>La traza completa de la causa de este error
> se encuentra en los archivos de diario de Apache Tomcat/7.0.53.</u></p><hr
> size="1" noshade="noshade"><h3>Apache Tomcat/7.0.53</h3>"
>
>
>
> I can not figure out where this error.
>
> Thanks in advanced
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2014-09-25 4:48 GMT-03:00 pablo zader <[email protected]>:
>
> Hi list
>
>
>
> I have problems when I want to load a tiff or shape by the plugin
> LayerUploadPanel.js of GeoExplorer.
>
> The error here:
>
> POST http://localhost:9080/geoserver/rest/imports 405 (Method Not
> Allowed)
>
>
>
>
>
> The code in LayerUploadPanel.js
>
>
>
> Ext.Ajax.request({
>
> url: this.getUploadUrl(),
>
> method: "POST",
>
> jsonData: jsonData,
>
> success: function(response) {
>
> this._import = response.getResponseHeader("Location");
>
> this.optionsFieldset.expand();
>
> form.submit({
>
> url: this._import + "/tasks?expand=all",
>
> waitMsg: this.waitMsgText,
>
> waitMsgTarget: true,
>
> reset: true,
>
> scope: this
>
> .....
>
>
>
> I am using Geoserver 2.5.2.
>
> But in Geoserver 2.4 SNAPSHOT work well!!1
>
>
>
> How I can solve this problem? It is a problem of geoserver, but there
> will be some way to solve client side programmatically.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Pablo J. Zader*
>
> *Lic. en Cs. de la Computación*
>
> *CONAE *
>
> *[email protected] <[email protected]>*
>
>
>
>
>
> *"Los Grandes Hombres hablan sobre ideas... Los Hombres Promedio hablan
> sobre cosas... Los Hombres Pequeños hablan.. de otros Hombres.*
>
> *del libro Matemática estas ahi? A. Paenza "*
>
--
*Pablo J. Zader*
*Lic. en Cs. de la Computación*
*CONAE *
*[email protected] <[email protected]>*
*"Los Grandes Hombres hablan sobre ideas... Los Hombres Promedio hablan
sobre cosas... Los Hombres Pequeños hablan.. de otros Hombres.*
*del libro Matemática estas ahi? A. Paenza "*
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