Hi,
I think the point is, which index to use *first* ☺
My two cents, by the way: If you can narrow your use cases down from ”any time
interval, in any area”, you might consider pre-processing (aggregating) the
data in e.g. 1-hour, 1-day, 1-week, etc. chunks, or similarly, geographic
chunks of, say 100km x 100km, similar to the idea behind tiled maps.
But before you do that: Try PostGIS.
/julian
Fra: Peter Kovac [mailto:peter.ko...@microstep-mis.com]
Sendt: 22. juni 2016 10:02
Til: Andrea Aime <andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it>
Cc: GeoServer Mailing List List <geoserver-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Emne: Re: [Geoserver-users] How to serve large spatio-temporal dataset with
GeoServer?
Hi Andrea,
what do you mean with "deciding which one to use"? AFAIK it has to use both,
(almost) all the time.
This is the query found in GeoServer logs (LOCATION is the point geometry
column with a spatial index):
SELECT ID,TIME,LOCATION
FROM lightning_strikes
WHERE (
TIME BETWEEN ? AND ?
AND SDO_FILTER(LOCATION, ?, 'mask=anyinteract querytype=WINDOW') = 'TRUE')
)
Let's say I want just 1 hour worth of lightning strikes but from almost all of
the central Europe (so the BBOX is not covering the whole dataset but covers
90% of it).
The 'TIME BETWEEN' clause quickly filters 3M rows to let's say 10K lightnings.
However, some of them lie outside of the BBOX. So it has to filter them out.
Unfortunately, there are millions of other records in the same BBOX, so the
spatial index finds them all and then the database engine has to make
intersection of the two sets. Since one of them is huge, it takes time. And it
will get worse over time.
OK, maybe I see your point now. The DB engine could just check each row from
the smaller set if it is inside the BBOX, without using the spatial index. I
wonder if PostGIS can do it. I'll give it a try.
Thank you
On 21. 6. 2016 17:47, Andrea Aime wrote:
Hi Peter,
from my experience Oracle is probably the cause, given a spatial and a regular
index
it has sometimes issues deciding which one to use and ends up using the wrong
one.
You should try PostGis, with proper indexes and statistics setup, with "only" 3
million records
it should respond fast.
Worth investigating at the very least, let us know how it goes.
Cheers
Andrea
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Peter Kovac
<peter.ko...@microstep-mis.com<mailto:peter.ko...@microstep-mis.com>> wrote:
Dear GeoServer users,
I have trouble figuring out fast and scalable way to serve lightning
data via GeoServer.
My dataset consists of several million points spread over central Europe
spanning several years. I have approximately 3M lightning strikes right
now and it's just a fraction of what I'll have to handle ultimately. I'm
using Oracle Locator database with both spatial and normal indexes and
while it has a few quirks it works reasonably well when the amount of
lightnings is small (i.e. in thousands or tens of thousands).
While my WMS client will never allow to show more than 2 hours worth of
data (that's small amount of lightning strikes) there are particular WMS
requests which take a very long time: when I want to see a "bigger
picture" of all lightning strikes in central Europe during a specified
short period of time.
The core of the problem is my data have both spatial and temporal
dimension and there is no spatio-temporal index in Oracle Locator. So
even if regular index on the time dimension can limit the number of
features to a few thousands in the blink of an eye, the spatial index
over the point geometry column won't help much (since the BBOX in the
request covers the whole area anyway) and is in fact doing harm. The
query found in GeoServer logs runs really fast If I omit the spatial
index clause in such case (just a few hundred ms compared to 6-7 seconds
for the full query with SDO_FILTER function call). Another bad thing is
my colleagues predict that the performance will get worse with more data
in the table once it won't fit into RAM and the database engine will
have to use hard drives for processing.
The performance improves rapidly as I zoom to larger scales (smaller
areas), where the spatial index selects just a small subset of data.
However, I'd like to be able to serve the whole central Europe quickly, too.
One possible solution is to add the time dimension to my spatial index
(so it's 3D instead of 2D), but I'm afraid GeoServer won't be able to
retrieve data from such index (it won't be EPSG:3857 geometry anymore).
Another solution from an Oracle forum suggests using partitioning over
time and have separate spatial index for each partition, but that
requires expensive Oracle Enterprise license (which was not budgeted in
the project of course) and it's just dividing the problem by a constant
factor anyway.
So, since I'm out of my own ideas, how would you handle this situation?
What other tools or formats are useful? Is the Postgres/PostGIS combo
better at serving large-scale spatio-temporal datasets (with regard to
GeoServer)?
Many thanks for any help!
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