Looks like we should probably make a dummy jar for esri stuff...
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [Geotools-devel] IP issues Oracle and ArcSDE]
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:01:24 -0800
From: Rich Steele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chris Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If you can independently create it, that is obviously the safest bet. I
definitely wouldn't be comfortable putting ESRI's copyrighted file in
your distribution without an express license from them.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:08 AM
To: Rich Steele
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Geotools-devel] IP issues Oracle and ArcSDE]
The interfaces would be.
But we could have some one clean room it or something. Basically we
just need the method signatures, not any of the code, so that our code
compiles.
Rich Steele wrote:
> Is there any code derived from the ESRI file in that dummy-jar?
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:31 PM
>>To: Rich Steele
>>Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Geotools-devel] IP issues Oracle and ArcSDE]
>>
>>Yeah, it's just kind of a bitch. Basically our code compiles against
>>the API of the jars, so it's very nice to actually have it there. If we
>>can't compile against it, then the module will just break every time
>>someone tries to compile the source.
>>
>>What we can do is make a 'dummy-jar', that just has the APIs defined,
>>but does not do anything. We've done this in the past.
>>
>>Though is that on questionable legal grounds? If we just replicate the
>>API's? Like no real code?
>>
>>The alternative is that no one automatically builds the module. Which
>>sucks because it means people can make api changes to the core and not
>>even know that they broke that part of the code...
>>
>>C
>>
>>Rich Steele wrote:
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>The Terms of Use of the ESRI site (linked at footer of page) refer to a
>>
>>license agreement that is required to be accepted. I also couldn't find
>>it. I would be uncomfortable redistributing a proprietary component
>>without an express license. I think there is an implied license there
to
>>use it, but to redistribute it as part of an open source package is
>>probably more than I would advise. Is it possible to make these an
>>external dependency?
>>
>>>-Rich
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Chris Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:26 AM
>>>>To: Rich Steele
>>>>Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Geotools-devel] IP issues Oracle and ArcSDE]
>>>>
>>>>Any advice on this? We include the jar in our code, it appears to not
>>>>have a license, but to be downloadable by anyone.
>>>>
>>>>C
>>>>
>>>>-------- Original Message --------
>>>>Subject: Re: [Geotools-devel] IP issues Oracle and ArcSDE
>>>>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:42:34 +0200
>>>>From: Gabriel Roldán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>Organization: Axios Engineering
>>>>To: geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>CC: Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED], Marc Risney
>>
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>>>References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>
>>>>On Saturday 25 March 2006 16:02, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Marc - module maintainer for Oracle
>>>>>Gabriel - module maintainer for ArcSDE
>>>>>
>>>>>We have an interesting twist with the jars required for your modules
to
>>>>>build. The jars are not part of an open source project, and produced
by
>>>>>a commercial company.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gabriel I am not familiar with how we acquired the arcsde jars. Can
you
>>>>>confirm for me that we are allowed to depend on these jars, and host
>>>>>them in our maven repository for open source development.
>>>>
>>>>The jars are freely downloadable from the following URL, which I added
>>>>in the
>>>>arcsde plugin's project.xml dependencies:
>>>>http://support.esri.com/index.cfm?fa=downloads.patchesServicePacks.vie
wP
>>
>>at
>>
>>>>ch&PID=19&MetaID=1065#install-cUNIX
>>>>
>>>>I saw no license agreement nor you have to be registered to download
it,
>>>>so I
>>>>thought it would be ok. When I first introduced the geotools arcsde
>>
>>plugin
>>
>>>>back in 2003 I asked Chris Holmes about this same fear, and since we
>>>>didn't
>>>>found any access restriction I guessed it would be ok.
>>>>I'm far to be a licensing expert though, so be sure I'll have no
problem
>>>>in
>>>>producing a fake jar with the needed classes so the plugin could
compile
>>>>without depending on the actual ESRI jars if needed.
>>>>
>>>>Gabriel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Marc - I understand that you are a new module maintainer for Oracle
and
>>>>>are not familiar with its history. If needed you may check with the
>>>>>previous module maintainers to answer this question.
>>>>>
>>>>>For Oracle we have reverse engineered the Oracle API, interfaces
only,
>>>>>allowing geotools to compile. If it is possible to secure the rights
to
>>>>>the original for build purposes it would be of great assistance. My
>>>>>understanding is that if GeoTools, or OSGEO was an Oracle Development
>>>>>Partner we would be allowed to do this, I will leave it to you to
>>
>>figure
>>
>>>>>out the details.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jody
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting
>>>>
>>>>language
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live
>>>>>webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new
>>
>>coding
>>
>>>>>territory!
>>>>>http://sel.as-
>>
>>us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642
>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Geotools-devel mailing list
>>>>>Geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geotools-devel
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Gabriel Roldán ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>>>>Axios Engineering (http://www.axios.es)
>>>>Tel. +34 944 41 63 84
>>>>Fax. +34 944 41 64 90
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-------------------------------------------------------
>>>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting
>>>>language
>>>>that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live
>>>>webcast
>>>>and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding
>>>>territory!
>>>>http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Geotools-devel mailing list
>>>>Geotools-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geotools-devel
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Holmes
>>>>The Open Planning Project
>>>>thoughts at: http://cholmes.wordpress.com
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Holmes
>>The Open Planning Project
>>thoughts at: http://cholmes.wordpress.com
>
>
--
Chris Holmes
The Open Planning Project
thoughts at: http://cholmes.wordpress.com
--
Chris Holmes
The Open Planning Project
thoughts at: http://cholmes.wordpress.com
begin:vcard
fn:Chris Holmes
n:Holmes;Chris
org:The Open Planning Project
adr:;;377 Broadway, 11th Floor;New York;NY;10013;USA
email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
title:VP, Strategic Development
x-mozilla-html:FALSE
url:http://topp.openplans.org
version:2.1
end:vcard
