Next step is the spatial reference system crew at the MetaCRS project 
(http://trac.osgeo.org/metacrs/).
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As I understand it this is a "meta" project - pulling together a lot of the 
referencing projects (including PROJ) and tries to make sure we all "respect 
the math" (tm)
-- 
Jody Garnett

On 20 November 2013 at 2:02:16 am, Christian Gendreau 
(christiangendr...@gmail.com) wrote:

Thanks for you answer Jody.  

The PROJ.4 definition is :  
+proj=lcc +lat_1=46.8 +lat_0=46.8 +lon_0=0 +k_0=0.99987742 +x_0=600000  
+y_0=2200000 +a=6378249.2 +b=6356515 +towgs84=-168,-60,320,0,0,0,0  
+pm=paris +units=m +no_defs  

So I'm using the same TOWGS84 parameter : TOWGS84[-168,-60,320,0,0,0,0]  
http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/27572/ogcwkt/  

So I have no idea what may be wrong.  

Thanks again,  

Christian  

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:  
> Well you have a small clue, that "lenient" is used when the two coordinate  
> systems use a different model for the shape of the earth, so no correct  
> transformation exists between the two systems. Indeed we can see that, in  
> the definition.  
>  
> So you are not doing anything wrong, question is what do you want to do? You  
> are going to have to make an assumption on how to do the DATM shift, but  
> what assumption do you want to make? Sounds like you would like to make the  
> same assumption as PROJ....  
>  
> Check what PROJ is doing and copy their "+towgs84" parameters when  
> constructing your WKT by hand.  
>  
> Jody  
>  
> Jody Garnett  
>  
>  
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Christian Gendreau  
> <christiangendr...@gmail.com> wrote:  
>>  
>> Hi,  
>>  
>> I'm trying to convert/transform some coordinates from one CRS to  
>> another using JTS.transform(...)  
>> There is a difference in what GeoTools 10 returns and what PostGIS and  
>> QGIS return.  
>> I'm aware that the parameters used by GeoTools are from the EPSG  
>> database and are not managed by GeoTools but I'm having an issue when  
>> I provide the exact WTK.  
>>  
>> Input is in EPSG:27572 (Lambert zone II)  
>> -------  
>> CoordinateReferenceSystem sourceCrs = CRS.decode("EPSG:27572");  
>> CoordinateReferenceSystem targetCrs = DefaultGeographicCRS.WGS84;  
>>  
>> Coordinate coord = new Coordinate(605937.033, 2426318.714);  
>> Point sourcePoint = geometryFactory.createPoint(coord);  
>> MathTransform transform = CRS.findMathTransform(sourceCrs, targetCrs);  
>> Geometry targetGeometry = JTS.transform( sourcePoint, transform);  
>> -------  
>>  
>> This will not work except if I use the 'lenient' flag and then I will get:  
>> POINT (2.4180555600606395 48.832161511178725)  
>> This is 400 meters offset but there is no TOWGS84 parameters provided  
>> so I'm don't know what accuracy to expect.  
>>  
>> So I tried with PostGIS 2.0.1 and I got : POINT(2.41733554398175  
>> 48.8352090484985)  
>> This is correct.  
>>  
>> Then, I tried to use the PostGIS WTK definition in GeoTools.  
>>  
>> crs = CRS.parseWKT("PROJCS[\"NTF (Paris) / Lambert zone  
>> II\",GEOGCS[\"NTF  
>>  
>> (Paris)\",DATUM[\"Nouvelle_Triangulation_Francaise_Paris\",SPHEROID[\"Clarke 
>>  
>> 1880  
>> (IGN)\",6378249.2,293.4660212936265,AUTHORITY[\"EPSG\",\"7011\"]],TOWGS84[-168,-60,320,0,0,0,0],AUTHORITY[\"EPSG\",\"6807\"]],PRIMEM[\"Paris\",2.33722917,AUTHORITY[\"EPSG\",\"8903\"]],UNIT[\"grad\",0.01570796326794897,AUTHORITY[\"EPSG\",\"9105\"]],AUTHORITY[\"EPSG\",\"4807\"]],UNIT[\"metre\",1,AUTHORITY[\"EPSG\",\"9001\"]],PROJECTION[\"Lambert_Conformal_Conic_1SP\"],PARAMETER[\"latitude_of_origin\",52],PARAMETER[\"central_meridian\",0],PARAMETER[\"scale_factor\",0.99987742],PARAMETER[\"false_easting\",600000],PARAMETER[\"false_northing\",2200000],AUTHORITY[\"EPSG\",\"27572\"],AXIS[\"X\",EAST],AXIS[\"Y\",NORTH]]");
>>   
>>  
>> and I got: POINT (2.183603198566145 48.8352075151015)  
>> which is 17 km offset.  
>>  
>> Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?  
>>  
>> Thanks,  
>>  
>> Christian Gendreau  
>>  
>>  
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