It is definitely understandable that it is OSGEO's mission to spread the conferences around the globe to reach everyone, not just North America and Europe. That said, whether they are supported by OSGEO or not, I think that there is a significant need for some US/North America events to bring together both existing OS Geospatial people and people who are not currently using OS Geospatial tools. I actually love to see a Midwest US get together (Madison, Puneet?)
I am thinking of events at cheaper venues, less formal, etc. Working in state government in a state with a projected $5 Billion, some colleagues just had a request to take a state car to Duluth (~120 miles) for a public meeting turned down. The state won't be sending me anywhere, so I will be paying out of pocket. I think that it will be important to have some events to rev up people in North America in the next few years, while the FOSS4G events are away. With the current fiscal problems for government and industry in the US, there is definitely an opportunity to use the cost-savings angle to have the opportunity to show people the quality and performance of some OS GIS projects. At the same time ESRI is cutting enterprise license deals with state and regional governments, which will give organizations no financial incentive to give OS GIS products an audition. (Not that OS GIS is just a competition against proprietary companies...) (I understand that Franks invite to create an event also likely extends to me...) David. 2008/12/22 Peter Batty <[email protected]>: > Eric, I hadn't had a chance to respond to your initial post directly. > > To be honest my feeling is that the primary factor in the selection was > simply that it has been longer since there was a FOSS4G in Europe than it > has been since there was one in North America. Hence the ongoing discussion > on the OSGeo conference list about the merits of being more explicit about > conference location as one of the selection criteria (and/or having more > regional conferences, which I favor). > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Eric Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I wrote this last night after mulling over the Denver LOC's loss in >> bidding for FOSS4G 2010: >> An interesting thing happened today. The proposal from Barcelona, Spain >> for hosting the Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in 2010 won the >> committees vote. Right before the election, Peter Batty and I were >> attempting to understand what factors might impact the vote. >> >> But first, a little background. Peter and I lead a group (the Denver Local >> Organizing Committee – or LOC) that put together a competing proposal to >> host the conference in Denver. We put together an all-star LOC from North >> American geospatial bloggers, experienced industry leaders, significant FOSS >> contributors, US Government researchers and academics. We teamed up with the >> Geospatial Information Technology Association (GITA) who would manage the >> logistics of hosting, what we estimated, would be a 1000+ attendee >> conference. >> >> In addition to our proposal and the winning proposal from Barcelona, >> submissions were made from Beijing, China and Utrecht, The Netherlands. We >> had a great deal of confidence going into the vote. Our proposal was very >> professional and extremely well organized and directly addressed the issues >> mentioned in the RFP. This was born out in the fact that we had less than >> half the number of questions posed to the other bidding groups in the first >> round of questions and significantly less time was spent discussing issues >> with our proposal in the final IRC discussion. >> >> We had a fantastic proposal, a great organizing committee and the support >> of a well-respected organization handling the logistics. So, what happened? >> >> Like so many coincidences in life, I happen to be preparing for my >> comprehensive exams. One of the three areas I am being tested over is >> "Critical Cartography". So I've been reading lots of Denis Wood, J. Brian >> Harley, Denis Cosgrove, Gunar Olsson, Jeremy Crampton, etc., etc. This >> reading guided part of the discussion with Peter as the votes were being >> tallied. >> >> One way to look at FOSS4G is as a resistance response to the power of >> commercial software, especially ESRI's ArcGIS. Much of Harley's conception >> of the map, historically, was through a Foucauldian discourse of power. Maps >> reflect a position of power. Maps, historically, have been used to define >> boundaries and guide wars. But, in accordance with Foucault, power cannot >> truly exist without resistance. If we grant ESRI the same position of power >> as Harley grants maps and cartography, then the resistance to that power is >> FOSS4G. >> >> In the US, we specifically value capitalism and commercialism. We admire, >> as heroes, men like Bill Gates and Jack Dangermond. Open Source software >> consistently struggles against the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt generated by >> the commercial software developers. We feel the need for support structures >> of technical support and legal entities to sue. Consider the roe against >> Dell when they outsourced their customer service to India. Americans would >> get irate if they heard someone with a foreign accent on the end of the >> line. But for the rest of the world, commercial support ALWAYS has a foreign >> accent – an American accent! Americans like power – and they mistake it for >> security. No one ever got fired for buying IBM. And no one ever will get >> fired for buying ESRI. >> >> The Denver LOC proposed a large, commercially-focused FOSS4G 2010 >> conference. This proposal very much reflected the American values. Let's >> find a way to marry open source with commercial interests! We'll have over a >> thousand participants… and skiing! >> >> It's my belief that the vote worked out to a debate over whether OSGeo >> wanted the conference to become just another part of the American power >> structure or to use it to grow the resistance where it is strongest. Even >> the choice of Barcelona over Utrecht seems to support his argument. >> Utrecht's proposal, like the Denver proposal, was very thorough and well >> supported by both commercial and non-commercial interests. While Utrecht >> would have kept the conference in Europe, it wouldn't have fostered >> resistance to Western, capitalist values and the power represented by ESRI >> to the same degree as much as Barcelona. >> >> It is important to note that the Beijing organizing committee challenges >> with language barriers. Further, they estimated that only 10% of the >> attendees would be international. So their proposal looked much more like a >> regional conference and less like the international conference OSGeo was >> looking for. >> >> The resistance to American commercial power in geospatial software is >> created through the efforts of individuals and organizations. The resistance >> is frequently due economic exclusion from the power of ESRI software. But >> even in many corners of American academics, we see this resistance, usually >> due to Redmond's inability to respond to their needs. It is appropriate that >> OSGeo chose to keep FOSS4G out of America. The resistance needs to build. >> >> So, how do we reconcile the power and resistance? Maybe America can help >> the world understand the value of Free Geospatial Data while starting to >> listen to the rest of the world (or even the local voices) about the utility >> of FOSS4G. Maybe Americans can begin to understand that an investment in >> FOSS improves the quality and capability. Perhaps FOSS does entail hiring >> more intelligent IT people – but that investment pays off in the long run. >> >> Just some thoughts… See you in Sydney in 2009 and Barcelona in 2010! >> -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- >> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >> USGS Geographer >> Center of Excellence in GIScience >> PhD Student >> CU-Boulder - Geography >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geowanking mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >> > > > > -- > Peter Batty - President, Spatial Networking > W: +1 303 339 0957 M: +1 720 346 3954 > Blog: http://geothought.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > Geowanking mailing list > [email protected] > http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org > > _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list [email protected] http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org
