Don't you mean www.closedstreetmap.org? --- Raj
On Jun 18, at 12:24 PM, Ian White wrote: > The Ian White Appreciation Fund is now accepting donations at > www.closedstreetmap.com > > > Ian White :: Urban Mapping Inc > 690 Fifth Street Suite 200 :: San Francisco CA 94107 > T.415.946.8170 :: F.866.385.8266 :: urbanmapping.com/blog > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri Jun 18 10:36:22 2010 > Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Parcel power- Industry-Leading Provider Now Covers > 3100 Counties > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:00 PM, SteveC <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Webb Sprague wrote: > > > As long as the public data doesn't get tied up in exclusive access > > deals, and remains free as both beer and speech, I don't have a > > problem with aggregators like Core Logic. When it slides into an > > entity selling data or providing it exclusively to a limited number of > > companies, that's when my hackles get raised... > > Problem is, there's plenty of people ready to whinge about the lack free > markets but very few Ian Whites to actually to do something about it. > Perhaps we need an Ian White appreciation fund to offset the Google aura > which gives them all the data. > > Or something. > > > Something for sure. Thanks for your feedback, folks. Appreciate learning how > the data aggregation business works (and doesn't). When I saw this news, I > was reminded of ChoicePoint, and the history of abuse and irresponsible data > management during the voter roll purges in Florida, and election debacles, > etc. > > Hence, I raise my issues, albeit perhaps not very clearly (sorry), that you > seem to have picked up on. Recent history reminds me that it seems prudent to > ask the wisdom circles to rate these shockingly powerful, and sometimes > AWEful companies on their track record of leadership and stewardship of human > data... especially when control of the data can change hands so quickly. > > Appreciate any more feedback on the subject (GIS data control, public > data/private management law, "do know evil" companies and wannabies), > especially reading lists, untold stories, Tales from the Memory Hole. > > My desire to post was also stimulated by the thread Gulf Oil Spill Disaster > GIS data locked behind BP Corporate Firewall > Though my inclination is to remain positive and optimistic, I hope you > understand that current events and reality provide so much evidence not to > "trust" those entities who claim fervently and with much polished PR to be > trustworthy... please augment my reality with evidence to the contrary! ;) > > -D > > ChoicePoint (previous NYSE ticker symbol CPS) was a data aggregation company > based in Alpharetta, near Atlanta, Georgia, United States, that acted as a > private intelligence service to government and industry.[2] It was purchased > in February 2008 by Reed Elsevier in a cash deal for $3.6 billion USD. > ChoicePoint combined personal data sourced from multiple public and private > databases for sale to the government and the private sector. The firm > maintained more than 17 billion records of individuals and businesses, which > it sold to an estimated 100,000 clients, including 7,000 federal, state and > local law enforcement agencies (30 March 2005 estimates).[3] > However, this data had not been secured sufficiently to prevent theft of data > on at least one occasion (see below). The company had also been the subject > of lawsuits for maintaining inaccurate data, inquiries whether it allowed > political bias to influence its performance of government contracts and > accused of illegally selling the data of overseas citizens to the U.S. > government. ChoicePoint was used to perform consumer and criminal background > checks on prospective employees of the Obama administration.[4] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoicePoint > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Ian White <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm not sure what the big deal is--it's typical American ingenuity...take > >> something that is public, aggregate to the end of time, package and sell > >> for > >> a lot of money. I do it where I can. First American, LPS and other > >> companies > >> have a nice business in parcel data. It's a lot of hard work. They pay > >> county government money for access and have significant data massaging > >> operations. There's nothing any more sinister about CoreLogic than > >> Experian/Equifax/Harte Hanks, etc...All these companies take 'public > >> records'--DMV, arrest, tax assessor, credit behavior, etc....and create > >> profiles of millions of Americans. > >> > >> == > >> > >> Ian White :: Urban Mapping Inc > >> > >> 690 Fifth Street Suite 200 :: San Francisco CA 94107 > >> > >> T.415.946.8170 :: F.866.385.8266 :: urbanmapping.com/blog > >> > >> On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:34, DNR wrote: > >> > >> Hi everyone, I'd like to hear your feedback on this apparent milestone in > >> privately held public data aggregation, and what you think the impacts are > >> of this one company having control of so much data. Does the fact that it's > >> publicly traded make a difference in the legal challenges that come up with > >> public access to data? How so? I don't know the subscription costs to > >> access > >> this data and how their product displays whether the data is from public > >> sources, or their proprietary ones - does it all just blend together into > >> their product? Anyone work with CoreLogic, or First American, which spun > >> off > >> into CoreLogic? What's their reputation? I'm hoping there'd be some First > >> American Spatial Solutions employees here who could chime in. Who's > >> watching > >> this data maintainer? > >> > >> -D > >> > >> — Industry-Leading Provider Now Covers 3100 Counties, More Than 1000 > >> Counties Greater Than Its Closest Competitor — > >> > >> SANTA ANA, Calif., June 3 — (PRNewswire) — CoreLogic (NYSE: CLGX), a > >> leading > >> provider of information, analytics and business services, today announced > >> that its industry-leading property level dataset now covers 3100 tax roll > >> counties representing 99.8 percent of the U.S. population and 98.7 percent > >> of all counties. With this expansion of county coverage, CoreLogic now > >> exceeds its closest competitor by 1,000 counties. > >> > >> This public record county assessor data includes comprehensive > >> property-level characteristics, land dimensions, legal descriptions, > >> ownership, and tax and value information. This base information is then > >> linked to a variety of transactional current and historical data, such as > >> deeds, mortgages, pre-foreclosure and other involuntary liens as well as > >> demographic, scholastic and trend information. > >> > >> "For our customers, data coverage, currency and depth are vital to their > >> day-to-day operations," said George Livermore, group executive, data and > >> analytics, CoreLogic. "This milestone enables our clients to access > >> nationwide county-assessor-specific real estate data and leverage the > >> growing suite of analytics built upon this information to grow and retain > >> their business." > >> > >> CoreLogic maintains the most comprehensive repository of public, > >> contributory and proprietary data in the United States, which combines > >> property and mortgage information; legal, parcel and geospatial data; motor > >> vehicle records, criminal background records; national coverage eviction > >> information, payday lending records, credit information, and tax records. > >> CoreLogic databases are continually updated and include: > >> > >> 98.7 percent of U.S. real estate property records > >> 80 percent of mortgage applications > >> 85 percent of mortgage loan servicing performance information > >> 97 percent of loan level, non-agency mortgage backed securities > >> 550+ million historical transaction records and data spanning more than 40 > >> years > >> The nation's largest contributory mortgage fraud database > >> > >> The company's proprietary algorithms and modeling capabilities allow it to > >> analyze these information assets and other multidimensional data providing > >> clients with unique analytics and customized outsourcing services. > >> > >> About CoreLogic > >> > >> CoreLogic is a leading provider of consumer, financial and property > >> information, analytics and services to business and government. The company > >> combines public, contributory and proprietary data to develop predictive > >> decision analytics and provide business services that bring dynamic insight > >> and transparency to the markets it serves. CoreLogic has built the largest > >> and most comprehensive U.S. real estate, mortgage application, fraud, and > >> loan performance databases and is a recognized leading provider of mortgage > >> and automotive credit reporting, property tax, valuation, flood > >> determination, and geospatial analytics and services. More than one million > >> users rely on CoreLogic to assess risk, support underwriting, investment > >> and > >> marketing decisions, prevent fraud, and improve business performance in > >> their daily operations. Formerly, the information solutions group of The > >> First American Corporation, CoreLogic began trading under the ticker CLGX > >> on > >> the NYSE on June 2, 2010. The company, headquartered in Santa Ana, Calif., > >> has more than 10,000 employees globally with 2009 revenues of $1.9 billion. > >> For more information visit www.corelogic.com. > >> > >> <ATT00001..txt> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Geowanking mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > 1. Learn from everyone. > > 2. Follow no one. > > 3. Watch for patterns. > > 4. Work like he[ck]. > > Scott McCloud, 2006 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geowanking mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org > > > > Steve > > stevecoast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Geowanking mailing list > [email protected] > http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org > > > > -- > Holy Moldy, Batman!! > Someone forgot this history in the fridge! 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