geo friends,

Forwarding (as an attachment, which hopefully will get through mailman; if not, see [1] and nearby) a thread I just started on several W3C lists, trying to collect up some deployment experience for the W3C SWIG basic geo namespace, as input to the new incubator group starting up at W3C.

Since we never previously had a mailing list at W3C on these topics, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is probably the best way to ping most of the folks who have used and evangelised the http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/ work, in case you're not actively tracking the main swig list, [2]. The attached mail sketches some questions we might ask w.r.t. deployment details, and appeals to the geo-expertise of the XG for thoughts on other questions we might ask when looking at deployment stats. I'll repeat that appeal here, ...but nudge folks towards the public-xg-geo list for followups...

cheers,

Dan

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-geo/
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/
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(sorry for the noise; re-sending due to typo in To: line! sorry...)

Dan Brickley wrote:
Hi folks

meta-matters:

I'm sending this to the public W3C Geo XG list, bcc:'d to the Member list (a pattern that puts this on the Google'able public record and makes it share-able with SWIG, without exposing the Member list address to spammers etc).

I encourage followups from XG members to use the same pattern. Hmm, I've also added the SWIG list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the cc: list. SWIG members with an interest in the namespace described in http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/ might want to sign up to the Geo XG's public list, see http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/geo/charter and http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/geo/ -> lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-geo/ (basically, just send mail with 'subscribe' in Subject: line, to [EMAIL PROTECTED], as with all W3C public lists).

/meta-matters

So ... I just dropped a note into the UMBC blog in response to a post from Tim Finin, cc:'d. Copying it below too, since it's in the blog moderation queue. Basic idea is that it would be great to know a lot more about how the SWIG basic geo namespace has actually been used in publically available data.

For those who missed the announcement, there is now an incubator group at W3C who are working to come up with improvements to the basic geo vocab's design, based in particular on experience with the GeoRSS effort. I'm very pleased to see this happen, as it brings together several communities with complementary interest and expertise. It also gives us a practical testbed to explore some issues around the upgrade and evolution of deployed namespaces. A process not dissimilar to rebuilding a ship while sailing it :)

XG members and other RDF geo implementors --- see below for a sketch of the questions we might want answered w.r.t. the basic geo namespace. I'm sure there must be others, especially drawing on georss experience. Perhaps this thread could live in public-xg-geo, and then I'll summarise into the ESW wiki somewhere if there's much to summarise...

Thanks for any thoughts!

cheers,

Dan

From comment on http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/blogger/2006/07/17/semantic-web-terms-defined-and-used/
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   1.   Dan Brickley Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      July 18th, 2006 at 3:40 am

Interesting! Do you do requests? W3C has just chartered a Geo XG who want to update the ad-hoc ‘basic geo’ namespace created by SW Interest Group members. I’d be very interested to know more about how the namespace described in http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/ has been used in practice (perhaps after consulting the new XG to find out what questions to ask!).

In particular, we might want to know things like: which namespaces it often co-occurs with. What other properties its classes are used as domain or range of. Whether people use appropriate values (dots vs commas, negative values, etc), whether literals are all plain or if folk have used datatypes.

Also given the nature of the data, I’d guess that there would be significant interest in getting data dumps that could be plotted on maps and so-on. But mainly I’m most interested simply in how the namespace has been used. Hmm can you plot adoption/usage over time, too?

Sorry if the request seems cheeky, but you can’t blame me for asking ;)
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