i agree with wil and if anyone is interested i discuss this a little in a paper that came out in 'climatic change' last year, available here:
http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/360/art%253A10.1007%252Fs10584-013-0862-9.pdf?auth66=1391547467_c95ad5f8d7cd1ca738c1ca6d13d03243&ext=.pdf best, dale ********************** Dale Jamieson Professor of Environmental Studies and Philosophy Affiliated Professor of Law Director, Animal Studies Initiative New York University 285 Mercer Street, 10th floor New York NY 10003-6653 Voice 212-998-5429 Fax 212-995-4157 http://philosophy.fas.nyu.edu/object/dalejamieson.html "What I am saying to people is: 'This is why I adapt poorly to the world, and by the way, let me kiss you.'"--Morrissey On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Wil Burns <[email protected]>wrote: > In the case of ocean iron fertilization, I could see efforts of proponents > to argue a "bundle" of economic benefits. For example, take the case of the > ocean iron fertilization experiment conducted by off the coast of Canada in > July, 2012 by Russ George, a guy who used to head up a company named > "Planktos," a company that hoped to ultimately cash in on ocean iron > fertilization and sought to skirt U.S. ocean law to conduct experiments. > George and the Haida Nation tribe argued that the primary goal of the > experiment off the Canadian coast was to stimulate fish production by > increasing prey: > > > > > http://climateviewer.com/2013/10/10/the-haida-salmon-restoration-project-dumping-iron-in-the-ocean-to-save-fish-capture-carbon/ > > > > To the extent that carbon credits can now be obtained (at least > conceptually) for reductions netted from carbon capture and storage > projects, it's not much of a leap to see this in the context of air capture > schemes also, ditto olivine mineralization or other carbon dioxide removal > schemes that fall under the rubric of climate geoengineering. > > > > > > Dr. Wil Burns, Associate Director > > Master of Science, Energy Policy & Climate Program > > Johns Hopkins University > > 1717 Massachusetts Ave., NW > > Washington, DC 20036 > > 650.281.9126 (Mobile) > > 202.452.8713 (Fax) > > http://energy.jhu.edu > > > > Skype ID: Wil.Burns > > Blog: Teaching Climate/Energy Law & Policy, > http://www.teachingclimatelaw.org > > > > *From:* craig harris [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:33 PM > *To:* [email protected]; [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [gep-ed] spying on climate change > > > > hi neil and wil, > > one of my guiding maxims is "with capitalism, all things are possible" . . > . > > so i think it would be useful to ask the question, > > what regulatory gaps exist that would allow geoengineering to emerge from > the market . . . > > especially in the current climate of neoliberalism, > > any technology that is not clearly regulated is considered to be > unregulated . . . > > cheers, > > craig > > > > *craig k harris* > > *associate professor* > > *department of sociology* > > *michigan agbio research* > > *center for regional food systems* > > *michigan state university* > > *east lansing michigan usa* > > *www.msu.edu/~harrisc* <http://www.msu.edu/~harrisc> > > > > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *NeilE. Harrison > *Sent:* Sunday, February 02, 2014 2:16 PM > *To:* [email protected]; GEPED > *Subject:* RE: [gep-ed] spying on climate change > > > > Wil: > > I would agree. While we and our contributors only looked primarily at the > US innovation system and its historical effects (we need to do more > research on innovation in Europe), geoengineering would be a 'natural' > extension of the preferred tech fix approach that is probably the ultimate > tech folly. But that, too, will not emerge from the market (thankfully). As > for other climate innovations, we reject the widely accepted market model > of the innovation system and propose how many institutions will need to > change. > > We submitted the corrected proofs last week and the book is scheduled to > be released March 3. It is available for pre-order on Amazon (and at a much > lower cost than my other recently released book *Sustainable Capitalism > and the Pursuit of Well-Being*) but I'll let you know when it is formally > published, > > Cheers, > > Neil > > > Neil E. Harrison, Ph.D. > Executive Director > The Sustainable Development Institute > (www.sd-institute.org<http://www.sd-institute.org)P.O> > ) > P.O. Box 423 Laramie, WY 82073 > > Author,* Sustainable Capitalism and the Pursuit of Well-Being *(Routledge > 2014) more information at www.routledge.com/books/details/9780415662819 > Co-Editor, *Climate Innovation: Liberal Capitalism and Climate Change > *(Palgrave > Macmillan 2014) more information at > http://us.macmillan.com/climateinnovation/NeilEHarrison. > Author, *Constructing Sustainable Development *(SUNY Press) > Co-Editor, *Science and Politics in the International Environment *(Rowman > and Littlefield) > Editor, *Complexity in World Politics *(SUNY Press) > Editor, *National, Regional and Global Institutions, Infrastructures and > Governance, *Vol. 1, *National and Regional Institutions and > Infrastructures*. London and Paris: EOLSS/UNESCO, 2008. (EOLSS/UNESCO) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From*: "Wil Burns" <[email protected]> > *Sent*: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:28 PM > *To*: [email protected], [email protected], "GEPED" < > [email protected]> > *Subject*: RE: [gep-ed] spying on climate change > > The increasingly loud drumbeats for consideration of climate > geoengineering may prove to be another manifestation of Neil & John's > thesis. wil > > > > Dr. Wil Burns, Associate Director > > Master of Science, Energy Policy & Climate Program > > Johns Hopkins University > > 1717 Massachusetts Ave., NW > > Washington, DC 20036 > > 650.281.9126 (Mobile) > > 202.452.8713 (Fax) > > http://energy.jhu.edu > > > > Skype ID: Wil.Burns > > Blog: Teaching Climate/Energy Law & Policy, > http://www.teachingclimatelaw.org > > > > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *NeilE. Harrison > *Sent:* Saturday, February 01, 2014 7:11 PM > *To:* [email protected]; GEPED > *Subject:* re: [gep-ed] spying on climate change > > > > > John Mikler and I did not consider this application of technological > innovation to climate change mitigation in our new edited book due out next > month from Palgrave Macmillan titled *Climate Innovation: Liberal > Capitalism and Climate Change. *Climate innovation for us is > 'technological innovation designed to mitigate climate change'. We expect > that the US and many other countries would prefer to use technological > innovation to mitigate climate change so that they can avoid regulating > economic and social activities that produce GHGs. A tech fix is preferred > to a socioeconomic fix. Although the US is famed for its technological > innovation, we and our contributors show that its liberal capitalist > ideology and reliance on markets prevents the US from generating and > disseminating climate innovations that, unlike NSA snooping, will actually > contribute to solving the global problem. We further show that without > improbable institutional changes the US will not generate significant > climate innovation and will quite possibly end up importing from China much > of the technology it needs to meet its 2020 and 2050 emissions goals, > > Cheers, > > Neil > > Neil E. Harrison, Ph.D. > Executive Director > The Sustainable Development Institute (www.sd-institute.org - note: > website is being moved and will be offline for a few hours) > P.O. Box 423 Laramie, WY 82073 > > Author,* Sustainable Capitalism and the Pursuit of Well-Being *(Routledge > 2014) more information at www.routledge.com/books/details/9780415662819 > Co-Editor, *Climate Innovation: Liberal Capitalism and Climate Change > *(Palgrave > Macmillan 2014) more information at > http://us.macmillan.com/climateinnovation/NeilEHarrison. > Author, *Constructing Sustainable Development *(SUNY Press) > Co-Editor, *Science and Politics in the International Environment *(Rowman > and Littlefield) > Editor, *Complexity in World Politics *(SUNY Press) > Editor, *National, Regional and Global Institutions, Infrastructures and > Governance, *Vol. 1, *National and Regional Institutions and > Infrastructures*. London and Paris: EOLSS/UNESCO, 2008. (EOLSS/UNESCO) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From*: "Paul Steinberg" <[email protected]> > *Sent*: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:58 PM > *To*: "GEPED" <[email protected]> > *Subject*: [gep-ed] spying on climate change > > GEPers may be interested in this news reported in The Guardian. It > appears that the US has a unique interpretation of technological > innovation to address climate change: > > > http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jan/30/snowden-nsa-spying-copenhagen-climate-talks > > Paul > > > -- > Paul F. Steinberg > Malcolm Lewis Chair in Sustainability and Society > Professor of Political Science & Environmental Policy > Harvey Mudd College > http://www.hmc.edu/steinberg > > Department of Humanities, Social Sciences, & the Arts > 301 East Platt Boulevard > Harvey Mudd College > Claremont, CA 91711 > tel. 909-607-3840 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "gep-ed" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "gep-ed" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "gep-ed" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "gep-ed" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "gep-ed" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "gep-ed" group. 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