Dear All,

What made me hesitate to definitely switch to C++11 is the fact that the
version of gcc on the stable release of Ubuntu (2012) is gcc 4.6.4. that
does not support C++11. Consequently, caution rather led me to wait a
little longer (namely 2017 the next stable version of Ubuntu). In
addition, I did not personally need the new features of C++11 for the
moment (of course, I would not have developed the library gmm in the
same way with the features of C++11 if it had been available in the
early 2000s!).
But of course, I understand Andriy who sees the interest to use these
new features. Three years is a little bit long. I am not against the
switch but it will force us to use at least gcc 4.8 and force the update
of a few things in the code (such as obsolescence of auto_ptr).

In conclusion, has anybody some further arguments against the switch ?

If not, I think I will check carrefully the compatibility of Getfem
sources to gcc 4.8 and  enforce C++11 ...

Yves.



Le 19/03/2014 12:08, Andriy Andreykiv a écrit :
> Dear Kostas and Getfem users,
>
> At our company we build Getfem on Windows with Intel C++ as well as
> MSVS 2012 C++
> and on Linux with GCC 4.81. As far as I know Clang supports 11th
> standard too. 
> These are major C++ compilers (correct me if I"m wrong) and all of them 
> happily support major C++11 features.
>
> What you, Kostas, are proposing, about conditional compilation of 11th
> features, sure possible, but 
> is really a big burden to maintain, at least for our side. Imagine if
> I use Lambda's and auto's and then 
> I have to conditionally provide code for the case C++11 is not
> enabled, then I have to sometimes 
> re-design several functions. If I have to do that, then I have no
> reasons to use 11th features at all.
> I do use conditional compilation now and then, during implementation
> of multithreaded assembly. 
> It, sure, makes sense for performance reasons, but C++11 is always
> available and not such a reason. 
>
> Given the above I would propose to Getfem community to have 11th
> standard enforced by default,
> and allow code that compiles only with C++11 on. Please tell me what
> you think about this.
>
>
> Best regards,
>                       Andriy
>
>
>
>
> On 19 March 2014 11:17, Konstantinos Poulios <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Andriy,
>
>     actually the intention of my change was getfem to support C++11 by
>     default if the compiler supports it by default.
>
>     Are you using msvc or gcc? I thought that my change would affect
>     only compiling with gcc which officially does not support c++11 by
>     default.
>
>     Even with gcc one can still enable c++11 by adding the appropriate
>     CXXFLAGS at running the configure script.
>
>     Within getfem we just need to use
>     #if __cplusplus > 199711L
>     #endif
>     conditionals for features that depend on C++11.
>
>     Is there any practical issue that I am forgetting here?
>
>     Best regards
>     Kostas
>
>
>
>
>     On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Andriy Andreykiv
>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Dear Getfem users,
>
>         Currently, Getfem is configured by default not to support
>         C++11 (revision 4536).
>         May I ask why?  I would really want to have it supported. I
>         like to use lambda's auto's and the new for loop syntax in my
>         code, but,
>         more importantly, C++11 includes libraries that otherwise have
>         to be included through Boost (I'm using at least <thread> and
>         <atomic>)
>
>         Best regards,
>                                 Andriy
>
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