Hello all,
I finally find the time to give my opinion on this mail.
I am quite sorry for the late response (also with my comments on the 2.4pre
patches
and Lee's driver still outstanding). BUT, there have been quite some priorities
popping up during the last weeks which drew my attention.
Jut to give you a little glance about the life beside KGI,
we had to upgrade our Workstations and our Linux cluster
http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/physik/CPHYS/ausstattung/roulette/index.en.html
as well as getting some article done about the CLIC cluster project
http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/urz/anwendungen/CLIC/index.php3?lang=en
I was/still am involved with, helped in organizing a workshop and currently
have a conference here (http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/informatik/RA/cluster2000/).
So quite some load that keps me busy... Ironically, it's Linux that is keeping
me
from doing something useful, e.g. my PhD and work on KGI. Supposedly Linux was
build to help you to solve problems, but half the time it _is_ the problem.
But now, in terms of Antonio's worries:
Antonio Campos wrote:
> I've reading the superb interesting thread about KGI/GGI and the need
> for a great change in the console (graphics console?) layer of the Linux
> kernel to improve the graphical situation of the OS.
> It looks like Linus Torvalds is the/a big obstacle in the progress of
> the Linux Graphical Subsystem.
And, who cares? It is not important for development what Linus thinks of it,
except for vaild points he makes.
> First of all (don't get me wrong), we all must give credit to Linus from
> creating/initiating this wonderful operating system. But, on the other
> hand, Linux users can't stop from improving just because him (or
> others?) think that the things are OK now. Admittedly, Linus isn't a
> brainless person, but he isn't God,
Let me cite his opening form the Expo in Durham, NC: "Hi, I am Linus. I am your
god."
;-))
> and many people (including me), see
> the need for a crude improvement in the graphics subsystem if Linux is
> going to have any success in the desktop arena sometime. And this
> improvement can't come from partial systems like X+DGA+DRI, or fbdev,
> etc... (They are light years behind a modern operating system graphical
> system).
Nice you see it. Unfortunately just seeing it doesn't help, except that it
gives me and probably others motivation, which is a good thing!
> So, where am I trying to end with all this talking?. I'm just trying to
> say to all of you wonderful GGI/KGI/graphical kernel hackers that this
> lack of a good subsystem must be told to all the Linux community and by
> all means.
Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. (And this is true literally!)
We have done presentations, articles, but this did not give much feedback.
And worst of all, it requires time. Time I personally don't have supposing
I want to finish my PhD next year.
> Why? Because it's the only way, normal Linux users see this
> lack and start asking for it. So, please, does anybody have or could
> have a good article to write in Linux Journal, Linux Today, Slashdorg,
> etc... about converting Linux in a better OS through changing the Linus
> way of thinking about kernel graphics hacking?
Time...
> Besides this, pressure must be made in the Kernel mailing lists and to
> the DRI and X teams to encourage these changes (and changes focused in
> just one direction, not a thousand directions like
> fbdev+DRI+X+DGA+etc...).
This doesn't help anything.
> Let's all begin a flamewar (but one with good
> pretensions).
Don't! All it does is making it more difficult for us. And it takes time
into useless writing of emails.
> I think it's completely necessary and needed. The people
> must know why these changes are necessary. We want a better OS, that has
> always been the idea behind Linux (if not why should we use it instead
> of Windows?).
>
> Thanks for attention...
If you want to help, put your energy in working out contributions to KGI or
GGI, not fighting flame-wars.
The most useful proposal in this thread was the one by Roland, which is actually
pretty what the plan for KGI looks like and which I will execute, as time
permits.
Steffen
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