I’ll try again. On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:26 PM Mario Carneiro <mcarn...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Speaking as a *heavy* user of the Rust and Lean zulip instances, I find it > a huge improvement over the alternatives of Gitter and Discord, and I think > IRC although I have not used IRC much. It takes some getting used to, but > the topic threading is absolutely essential once you reach a certain size. > Looking at other chat platforms, overlapping conversations are a major > problem when you have more than around 10 people online at once. Rust > routinely has 50 or more online at once, and channels help but even then > you will have multiple topics in a single channel, and that extra level of > organization is absolutely warranted. It also helps when you want to look > back at the discussion (or even just find it again!) or continue an old > conversation from a year ago. Most of these activities I couldn't even > imagine doing in a Gitter/Discord style chat platform. > > I have no stake in this discussion, but I thought I should balance out the > Zulip downvotes with some positive experiences. (Also, I would definitely > be more likely to participate on a haskell Zulip than an IRC or Matrix > instance, FWIW.) > > > Mario Carneiro > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:58 PM Carter Schonwald < > carter.schonw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I definitely find Zulip confusing and have failed to use it every time >> I’ve tried >> >> If normal threading is lasagna layers, Zulip threading is like trying to >> hold cooked spaghetti in your ha d. >> >> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 2:40 PM Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglove...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> (I'm a little ashamed that I lurk on this list but the thing that brings >>> me out of lurking is a post on communication technologies) >>> >>> Not Zulip. >>> >>> Please not Zulip. >>> >>> I've used Zulip once many years ago, and once this year. Both times, its >>> interface felt clunky, and it felt like it was trying to get the best of >>> IRC, Slack, and a BBS and instead getting the worst of all the worlds. >>> Synchronous communication was confusing, asynchronous communication was >>> limited, and topics and channels didn't really do anything to organize >>> things. >>> >>> I have two alternatives to add to consideration: >>> * Mattermost: it's an open-source clone of Slack, which has its >>> advantages and disadvantages, but at least it's familiar and heavily used UI >>> * Discourse: it's an asynchronous communication tool, but that may >>> acceptable or preferable, and there is already a Haskell Discourse set up ( >>> https://discourse.haskell.org/) >>> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:59 AM Ben Gamari <b...@well-typed.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Carter Schonwald <carter.schonw...@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>> > I personally vote for irc. Perhaps via Libera. >>>> > >>>> > What are some example vibrant technical communities on matrix? I’ve >>>> > experienced such on irc but less so via more recent / newer platforms >>>> > >>>> I know that many subcommunities within the Rust community use Matrix. I >>>> have had quite good interactions in this context. Frankly I think that >>>> most of these newer options are technically much more conducive to >>>> technical collaboration than IRC. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> - Ben >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ghc-devs mailing list >>>> ghc-devs@haskell.org >>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ghc-devs >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ghc-devs mailing list >>> ghc-devs@haskell.org >>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ghc-devs >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> ghc-devs mailing list >> ghc-devs@haskell.org >> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ghc-devs >> > _______________________________________________ > ghc-devs mailing list > ghc-devs@haskell.org > http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ghc-devs >
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