On 7 Jun 2001, at 3:12, Carol Spears wrote:
> Branko Collin wrote:
> > A user is _never_ an idiot.
First, let me take back a lot of what I said. It seems it rubs some
people the wrong way, and to others I cannot explain myself clearly
I just object to _calling_ users stupid, especially in a forum that
is publicly accessible, like this one. This has nothing to do with
wether a person actually _is_ stupid (from the point of view of the
developer, or even medically -- I knew a girl involved in developing
software interfaces for the mentally handicaped, which is a whole
different ball game). I realise sometimes people need to vent air,
especially with 'stupid' Windows users like me, but maybe you should
not do that here, because it is impolite. (I was going to say 'bad
PR', but I feel that that argument would hardly make an impression.)
> > This of course does not mean that you have to cater for those that
> > are too lazy to indulge in some minimal form of self-education.
> > Unfortunately, it is hard to find out if that is the case when
> > receiving a stupid question from a user.
> I was working on a web site for a good friend, when one day we spatted
> and I was replaced by that Front Page Maker (or whatever it is). It
> took her approximately seven months to figure out how to change the
> background color of her web pages.
Changing the background color of a web page is a bad idea period if
you do not know what you are doing. It can render a web page
invisible. I always advise people to first learn to make a web page
by hand (i.e. raw HTML and a text editor), and only when they have
got that down completely start using a graphical editor for possible
ease of use (although in my experience the difference in efficiency
is negligable). This is of course completely contrary to the original
vision of Tim Berners Lee, who did not want people to meddle with the
HTML, but his vision included browsers that were editors at the same
time and that created perfect code -- which of course never happened.
> I get frustrated using Windows apps. They are not set up like I
> expect them to be. Perhaps, it will be good for the Windows users to
> get used to linux apps?
Although the GIMP is developed largely on Linux, by mostly Linux (-
only?) using developers, it could be argued it is a Linux app.
However, I like to see it as a GNU app. And even though that means
that RMS would like to see it only used on a free OS, that still does
not mean it should be tied to one single OS. Of course, execution of
that wish list completely depends on the willingness of porters to
adapt their GIMP to the quirks of the OS.
I for one would love a Windows GIMP where all dialogs and image
windows run within one application Window. Although it would even be
better to be able toggle between that and the default behaviour.
There is something to be said for keeping the behavior of programs in
line with the standard behaviour of the OS or the desktop it is
running on. On the other hand, you can make a good argument for
keeping it in line with the standard behavior of all the other GNU
apps or GTK apps. I think some middle ground could be found, but it
would be too much of a bother to delve deep into that matter. In the
end I think it depends on what feels right to the porter.
> How about putting one of those little day counters in the gimp start
> up? So that the user has to acknowledge how many days s/he has used
> the software for free.
I thought Linux users prefer a counter that tells them how long they
have been running the GIMP. ;-)
> I had to wait for that dumb little paint shop
> pro program to count past 2000 once. And that "free" thing could not
> hold a candle to Gimp.
It depends what you use it for. It really can be an excellent tool
for making web graphics.
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