I couldn't agree more!

Could the developers possibly add an option to revert back to the old system?

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On May 2, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Jonathan Kamens <j...@kamens.us> wrote:

> I hate the new Save vs. Export behavior. It is completely non-intuitive to 
> me, it makes my brain stumble every time I try to do just about any of the 
> things that I do in GIMP on a regular basis, and it makes most of my 
> workflows take more thought and more button clicks / key presses than they 
> used to.
> Here's just one use case that is completely destroyed by this change... 
> Loading a JPG to edit and save back to JPG. Old way:
> "gimp file.jpg".
> Make changes.
> Type ctrl-s periodically while working to save progress.
> Type ctrl-q.
> New way:
> "gimp file.jpg".
> Make changes.
> Open File menu and select "Overwrite" (no keyboard shortcut for that!).
> Periodically type ctrl-e to save further progress (because for some 
> inexplicable reason, once you use the "Overwrite" command it disappears and 
> is replaced with the "Export" command which appears to do exactly the same 
> thing, but this one has a keyboard shortcut; how does that make sense, 
> exactly)?
> Type ctrl-q.
> GIMP tells me I have unsaved changes, even though I just saved them with 
> ctrl-e.
> Click "Discard Changes" to really exit.
> If I can't remember whether I've saved already or not and hit ctrl-e instead 
> of using File | Overwrite, an export dialog pops up and if I just accept the 
> file name in it, I am asked to confirm that I want to replace the file. Then 
> I'm prompted for export settings. This is absurd.
> Here's another use case that's rendered more complex by this change... Load 
> an image, edit, and save in a different format. Old way:
> "gimp image.fmt1".
> Make changes.
> ctrl-shift-s.
> Modify extension in save dialog.
> ctrl-q.
> New way:
> "gimp image.fmt1".
> Make changes.
> ctrl-shift-e. (and, mind you, I have to remember that it's shift-ctrl-e, 
> instead of shift-ctrl-s like in every other freakin' application I use on 
> either Linux and Windows)
> Modify extension in save dialog.
> Type ctrl-q.
> GIMP tells me that I have unsaved changes, even though I just saved them with 
> shift-ctrl-e.
> Click "Discard Changes" to really exit.
> But what about when I do want to load an image in a non-XCF format and then 
> save as XCF? Well, Ctrl-shift-e won't work for that, because the export 
> dialog doesn't let you export as XCF. I see no advantage whatsoever to this 
> restriction. So I have to remember that in this one special case of changing 
> the format of an image, I have to use ctrl-s instead of ctrl-shift-e.
> There isn't a single thing that I use GIMP for that is made easier or faster 
> by this interface change. Not one thing.
> I understand that there is "information loss" when an image is saved as a 
> format other than XCF. But the fact of the matter is that when all I'm doing 
> is retouching an image, which is what I do most with gimp, I don't give a 
> flying fig about that "information loss." I just want the image to save, nice 
> and easy, when I'm done editing it. And I don't want to have to remember 
> different commands for GIMP than for every other program I use. And I don't 
> want the command I have to use the first time I save an image to be different 
> from the command I use the next time; that just makes no sense. Because of 
> this particular "feature," I can't even make this problem less onerous by 
> swapping the ctrl-s/ctrl-e and shift-ctrl-s/shift-ctrl-e bindings. Brilliant!
> I understand that the GIMP developers consider XCF a "special" format which 
> deserves special treatment. Well, I don't, and I'm sure there are many, many 
> users like me who don't either. This change is just sticking a thumb in all 
> of our eyes.
> You could have done this the LibreOffice way... When you try to save an image 
> loaded from a format with information loss, you get a pop-up warning you and 
> giving you the choice of whether to proceed or save as XCF (and also giving 
> you the choice to make this warning go away in the future and just save like 
> you told it to). This is what LibreOffice does, e.g., when you load and then 
> try to save a DOC file.
> Or you could have made this change at least a little bit less onerous by 
> making the save dialog default to XCF but allowing the user to edit the 
> extension to save to another format. But no, if you try to do that, it tells 
> you, "Sorry, this dialog only saves in XCF format," and you have to cancel 
> out of it and export instead.
> In my opinion, this change is a huge, huge step backward in useability.
>   Jonathan Kamens
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