On 04/12/2013 11:33 AM, FriendlyBeginner wrote:
Hello Jay,

With GimpUsers forum, am I supposed to type above or below what I'm responding
to? If I select and start typing below the responders text, does this
automatically create the window at the top of my response in the final view?

Jay...I have thousands of cards, not just "things to do" cards, with a lot of
scribbling & writing on them; sometimes a lot of tiny scribbling, drawing etc

So to answer your question yes I think I do need images of the cards themselves
and not just the info on them.

I am a novice and have been at this for WEEKS I read twice what you typed below,
and I'm sure it's makes perfect sense but you sorta lost me. But I do I really
do want to understand, but I am not that tech savvvy or at least not at this

I just want a definitive solution and soon, it's been weeks trying to figure
this out.

Bottomline...I have something very simple I want to do and need a simple
solution...I've been at this for weeks now.

Please read my recent post to I think Rod or Kevin? It should be above this post
I think.

Thanks Jay,


P.S.....Jay...I just read what you suggested below, and I want to understand
what you were getting at, but right now my head is about ready to explode. Maybe
it's no longer relative based on what I typed above, but if it is still relative
I want to understand it, if it will help me....Thanks Jay...

If I understand correctly -- that in the long run it is the
ON the cards that you want to preserve, not necessarily images of the
cards themselves, then it seems to me that you should be using a
database that can either _contain_ images or at least display images
referenced by filenames in the database, as well as textual/data

In such a database, every card would be referenced by some unique
filename/number; it really does not matter much what that
filename/number is.  The card would be viewable either as an
image by whatever methods, but more importantly, from withing the
database's user interface.

The data records in the database would be structured to _eventually_
replace the cards/images.  Over time, you could type in the data from
the cards (images) into the database (while being able to see both at
the same time on screen).  When the data is fully entered, then you
sort and organize it any thousand ways you want and you will always
immediate access to the image (if still needed).


Hi Friendly,

I believe that the custom on such lists is to add new content at the bottom. That way, the whole series of messages can be read from top to bottom and be in order.

[I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "create the window at the top of my response in the final view?" I am reading / writing these messages as ordinary textual emails, not on some website -- I don't what mechanisms others use to read / write them.]


I hate to say this when your head is about to explode, but when you said "I have something very simple I want to do and need a simple solution"..... you may not fully comprehend what you are getting into.

I agree, it _seems_ simple.  But, it is not trivial.

Often, in "IT" (information technology -- your cards represent information), seemingly the simpler the desired result, the more complex the real problem is.

It seems "simple" to decide where and what to eat/do/go for dinner tonight. However, it is a massively complex problem that our brain just makes seem simple.

!! You may (or may not) find a solution to what you think your problem is, however if you find a "simple" solution, I am willing to bet that before you are done implementing it, you will realize ... "gee, if I could just do this... and that...".

I have experienced this syndrome over and over and over again with first-time technical authors who attempt too-simple approaches to organizing their data. They end up restructuring their information management several times before ending up where I knew they would have to ... years later.

While I certainly don't know anything about _your_ cards, I do understand cards. My stepfather made at least one 3x5 card record for every day of his life from about the age of 15 to his 60s when he passed away unexpectedly. That's about 18,000++ cards. There is only one person on earth who can translate the tiny squiggly "writing" [also with lots of abbreviations and codes] on those cards, my mother. If she started today, there is little chance that she could complete the translation in her remaining lifetime. However, the cards have important scientific value -- he was a environmental scientist (long before such a term existed) and daily recorded phenology for a specific region.

Maybe I have missed it, but I don't think I completely understand _exactly_ what you believe your goals are. It might be helpful (for yourself, if not for us), to state them concisely in writing. And I mean goals in terms of how you want to use, interact with the cards and the information that the cards represent. This can be difficult for many people to do if they are not used to doing it. You have keep steering yourself back to what you want to get out of the information and how you want to use / interact with it. It's really not about the cards. That's just where the information happens to be at this moment.

And exactly why is the current system not working for you any more? That will shed light on what it is you want out of a new system.

Instead of focusing on the physicality of the cards and always thinking of the cards as cards, think about what they represent and how you want to be using their information; now, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, etc.

Also, consider what financial value and time/resource value this project has to you. How much money can you or are you willing to invest in this? How much time do you have to work on it?

The result of these thoughts will become a set a parameters within which you may be constrained. You then have to decide if that is acceptable. If not, then start over again.

It sounds like you need to let your head clear for a week or two, before it explodes or you have to go on medication. ;-) Then take a fresh look at this.

When your head is clear, read the database comments again. If parts of it do not make sense, you are welcome to contact me off-list with specific questions. (This whole subject really has nothing to do with Gimp.) If none of the database comments make sense to you, then you need to read up about the basics of databases and information management.

By the way, so you don't feel so bad, I have an idea in my head that I want to see done, but the software for it has not been invented yet and I don't have the skill/training or the time to obtain the skill to do it myself, nor the money to hire it done. What I want seems soooo simple on the surface, yet it is a massively complex problem where the key aspects are about management of meta data (data about the data). There are a few people out there who have written briefly on the need for such software, but nobody has devoted themselves to it. Yet what I envision has absolutely enormous applications in just about any possible field. It bothers me terribly every time the subject enters my head.

Best of luck,

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