(Bringing it back to both lists so those who are telling Gene he
should upgrade his debian can get a clue.)

On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 July 2016 05:41:29 Michael Schumacher wrote:
>> On 07/22/2016 10:32 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire
>> > up synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the
>> > "context help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright,
>> > got gimp-2.8.2 but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at
>> > your service, NOT.
>> Well, actually you are not up-to-date at all - this is because you
>> choose to run the oldstable Debian release.
>> This also means you're missing most of the bug fixes that have
>> happened in 2.8 since 2.8.2 has been released (minus some security
>> fixes, maybe).
>> > Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can I
>> > back it up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?
>> You should check whether you can and want to upgrade to a more current
>> Debian release. Or, in train terms: check if you want to board a train
>> that is actually going somewhere, instead of the museum train that's
>> running around in circles on its closed track.
> True, but I am stuck with a distribution that can run LinuxCNC, which has
> a need for a real time capable kernel. The guys are working on it but so
> far have not managed to get good enough IRQ response with kernels post
> 3.4.9-55 to run stepper motors direct, they have to be delegated to
> specialized control cards that run from $90 to 3 or 400, depending on
> the complexity of the machine being controlled.

(I suppose I should restrain myself, and it doesn't help Gene at all
for me to say, to the pro-systemd sheeple, that this is what I was
warning about. But this is what I was warning about.

Oh, for someone to foot me a few hundred million JPY to fork the
kernel and strip it of all the damage done in trying to deal with that

Ah, but I'd prefer to write a new kernel from scratch and get rid of a
whole lot of cruft. Linus has done well, and the bazaar has worked
well, but the committee effects take their toll. Systemd was just the
worst visible evidence of the committee effect to date. And I doubt
anyone reading this except Gene understands my mumbling, so I really
should restrain myself. :-<  )

Joel Rees

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