hi konrad, 2 euros a page for a manuscript isn't so bad. what would the price have been if the printer used four colors instead of one? were there any color images (photos, graphs, etc)? if there were color images as well as text set to black, then the color increased the price and also caused a double print session, one (plate) for the color and one (plate) for the text. btw, did you ask for an estimate on the cost of the job when you took the manuscript to the printer? finally, in most software, the text color default is automatic. maybe you might want to check your text color settings before your next printing job and get an estimate before the job is printed. that way, there are no surprises on your end.
scribus sets the output to cmyk when you set the color tab in the pdf export to print. the screen / web is for screen use or printing with an inkjet printer. as i mentioned to uwe, your commercial printer will help you if you ask. it is to the their benefit to help you work within their workflow. cheers, dwain On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Konrad Bauersachs < konrad.bauersa...@t-online.de> wrote: > Hi Uwe, > > I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf there could be > a problem: > Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black" and NOT > "automatically". > If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used. "Automatically" > means that > black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack when my > copy-shop > demanded about 200 Euros for a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages. > > Best regards > > Konrad > > > Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list: > > uwe, et. al., > > one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more > > proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to subscribe > to > > the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users along > with > > the developers ready to help resolve design problems with accurate how-to > > information, just like on this list. > > > > best, > > dwain > > > > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski <uwesassnow...@web.de> > wrote: > > > >> Hello Jehan and Dwain, > >> > >> I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes realy > >> sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had some > program > >> crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps :)) and > >> some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is easy to > >> handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program to make > our > >> print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good. It will > >> take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I hope > that > >> our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling, they are > >> professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you again! Nice to > >> have such professional help! > >> > >> > >> With best regards, > >> Uwe > >> Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford: > >> > >> john and uwe, > >> here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based > >> program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which produces > >> "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that handles the > job of > >> combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat package > that a > >> good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your design. > >> > >> scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that is "print > >> ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw driver to > try > >> and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate tool for > the > >> job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page, inkscape > is a > >> better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a good > program > >> to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow you to > import > >> text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice); it will > >> also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic) image or an > >> adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain illy files > >> after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed, illustrator > will > >> convert your image to the .svg format for importation. > >> > >> for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.) to size, > >> color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape, > >> illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector drawings and > >> usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more information > than > >> jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif files for > this > >> reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign, quark > express, > >> etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of producing a > >> print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product. > >> > >> i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most > important. > >> most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for different > types > >> of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a fine art print > would > >> be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image would be printed at 75-80 > >> dpi. all this depends on the paper used for the job. i usually use 300 > dpi > >> for raster images and size the image according to the size i want to > >> produce on the page. most vector images are either 300 or 600 dpi, > >> depending on the program i use to produce them. > >> > >> scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and the program > >> can size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi image > >> enlarged by this process will produce an ugly final image on the paper. > >> there are some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus pdf file. > >> since adobe is the "industry standard" software they calibrate their > >> printers to adobe. small print shops use corel draw as their standard > >> software. in this case, you can provide a native file with accompanying > >> fonts in the file for printing. for most jobs where i use corel draw, i > >> will convert text to curves so i don't have to provide fonts to the > >> printer. and don't assume a printer knows how to print from a pdf. i > have > >> run across one that didn't understand that he didn't have to import my > pdf > >> into draw to print it. i guess he didn't know he could print from a pdf > >> viewer to his chosen printer. but i digress. a page layout program is > also > >> a type setter. you can kern letters and paragraphs for "readability". > i'm > >> sure you have seen where some of your letters in a particular font will > >> look closer together than other letters when printed. although raster > and > >> vector programs have the same capability, page layout programs do it > >> better, because that's how they are designed. > >> > >> color management is key to the whole process, but that's another > >> conversation all together. > >> > >> hope this helps. > >> > >> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:49 AM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list < > >> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM Uwe Sassnowski <uwesassnow...@web.de> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text levels / > >>>> layers. Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and > >>> exported it > >>>> to pdf. I sent the pdf to the printing company for printing. The print > >>> was > >>>> not in a perfect quality. The printing company told us that they > >>> normally > >>>> get pdf's from their clients where they can make changes to improve > the > >>>> quality. I tried to export to pdf without combining all layers. But > then > >>>> all texts are changed in format. I can create pictures from the text > >>>> layers. But then I and the printing company cannot go into the text > >>>> anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all single pictures and texts > >>>> without combining all layers so that the printing company can touch > all > >>>> pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print? > >>>> > >>> I can't remember if our implementation for PDF export rasterize text or > >>> not. In any case, if you want to lay out various items and similar > >>> activities common for printed objects, I would suggest to use Inkscape > >>> and/or Scribus. I mean: you can still use GIMP for obviously raster > parts > >>> (drawing, photographs, etc.). But when it comes to complex designs, > >>> Inkscape may be the most appropriate tool. And if you have objects to > set > >>> precisely on your page, Scribus may be better suited (it won't do that > >>> much > >>> more than what Inkscape does, simply it's rather *how* it does it which > >>> may > >>> make it much more straightforward when you think in term of print). > >>> > >>> Now GIMP can also work very fine, even if you have texts. But then you > >>> have > >>> to understand well the printing process to provide a perfect raster > object > >>> to the printshop and not expect them to edit it (we certainly don't > want > >>> printshops to edit our designs in fact!). > >>> > >>> Jehan > >>> > >>> > >>>> With best regards, > >>>> Uwe > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> gimp-user-list mailing list > >>>> List address: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > >>>> List membership: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > >>>> List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ZeMarmot open animation film > >>> http://film.zemarmot.net > >>> Liberapay: https://liberapay.com/ZeMarmot/ > >>> Patreon: https://patreon.com/zemarmot > >>> Tipeee: https://www.tipeee.com/zemarmot > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> gimp-user-list mailing list > >>> List address: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > >>> List membership: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > >>> List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > gimp-user-list mailing list > > List address: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > > List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list > _______________________________________________ > gimp-user-list mailing list > List address: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list _______________________________________________ gimp-user-list mailing list List address: gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
