On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jay Smith <j...@jaysmith.com> wrote:
> Using Gimp 2.6.6 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) Linux.
> on K Desktop Environment 3.5.10
> I would like to check with others whether or not these issues are unique
> to me, my installation, or my desktop environment....
> If they are bugs, I will report them or others are welcome to do so (but
> please tell me if you do).
> 1) Missing mnemonics on menus. For example, under FILE, "Create" has no
> labeled mnemonic.
See my reply below to 2). Sometimes, there is just not the mnemonic
available. I believe that 'Save a _Copy' uses the mnemonic that could
otherwise be used for 'Create', and the developers judged that Save a
Copy would be used more often than the Create menu.
'e' might be available, though.
Please note that you could also press Alt+F, DOWN,RIGHT to enter the
Also, if you use the Create submenu a lot, consider tearing it off
(rightclick in an image window, then leftclick on the dashed line at
the top of a submenu) and using it more directly.
> 2) Duplicated mnemonics on menus. For example, under EDIT, the letter
> "p" is used ***THREE*** times, making it useless in a production
> environment. As long as the same image is open, doing "ALT e p" cycles
> through the the three occurrences of the "p" mnemonic. If it is the
> first time with the image, then it always goes to the first occurrence.
> Very obnoxious!
This is very hard to avoid, unfortunately.
The edit menu is large, and there are only 26 characters to use as
mnemonics (actually other characters like numerics and punctuation are
also possible, but usually not used.)
I managed to resolve most conflicts in my Lojban translation, however
Lojban has better distribution of letters (meaning that the name for
some particular action is more likely to contain a uniquely usable
character than eg. English). I have looked at this problem before, and
concluded that we would have to start using numbers and punctuation as
mnemonics in order to avoid significant conflicts. It is already
possible to do so, but GIMP avoids this, as do most programs.
Keeping in mind that it is impossible to resolve all mnemonic
conflicts even in a small menu (due to plugins being able to add menu
items which can have mnemonics), if you have a proposition which will
resolve most of the current conflicts in a reasonable way, even if
this is limited just to the File menu, please enlighten us.
> 3) Misdirected mnemonics. (This one may be a lack of understanding of
> menu mnemonics on my part.) "ALT e p" [!!! may have to hit "p" multiple
> times to arrive at the correct desired location of PASTE AS] to get to
> PASTE AS. This exposes the fly-out/sub-menu. The sub-menu includes NEW
> IMAGE with a mnemonic of "n". However, typing an "n" at this moment
> does not utilize the fly-out menu, it goes to UNITS on the main EDIT
> menu. What is the point of having a mnemonic on the flyout/sub-menu if
> you can't access them without using the arrow keys to get into the
> flyout/sub-menu by which time you are focused on the desired item anyway
> and can just hit return.
What the user means at that time is ambiguous. (access 'Units'? or
something in the submenu?).
Consequently, you need to press Enter first to confirm that you want
to move into the submenu rather than access some other item on the
> 4) Non-functioning keystrokes / keyboard shortcut listed on the menus.
> Specifically for me at the moment, "CTRL SHIFT V" is supposed to create
CTRL+SHIFT+V, just to be clear. A single, chorded key combination.
If this is really not working for you, I do think there is a problem
with your installation (or your desktop environment -- see below).
The other 3 points you brought up are verifiable.
> a new file from the clipboard contents. This set of keystrokes is
> stated in TWO places:
> FILE, CREATE, FROM CLIPBOARD
> EDIT, PASTE AS, NEW IMAGE
> Both should accomplish the same thing, but on my system, it does
> nothing at all.
> This is really annoying because tomorrow I have to have a staff
> member use this functionality 297 times. Argh!
> (Yes, I know that as long as we use keystrokes to get to the menu, we
> can "walk" though it using the arrow keys. It is just annoying.)
All keyboard shortcuts are accurate. If they don't work, chances are
you don't actually have something on the clipboard, or you have
another program (eg KDE) which is stealing that key combination and
preventing GIMP from catching it.
Personally, that combination works as expected for me; I just
Edit->Copied something, then pressed CTRL+SHIFT+V and a new image
window containing what I copied appeared.
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