On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Herczeg Zsolt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In particular, as far as I know and as Theodore Ts'o's post describes
>> better than I could[1], you seem to be confusing preimage attacks with
>> collision attacks, and then concluding that because SHA1 is vulnerable
>> to collision attacks that use-cases that would need a preimage attack
>> to be compromised (which as far is I can tell, includes all your
>> examples) are also "broken".
>
> I understand the differences between the collision and preimage
> attacks.
Fair enough. The rest of your E-Mail certainly shows that you do, and
I didn't know enough anything about GitTorrent and this case where
it's vulnerable to collission attacks.
But I didn't get that impression from your initial E-Mail which
outright said said:
Git signed tags and signed commits are cryptographically
insecure, they're useless at the moment.
It's important that those of us who *do* understand the difference
between collision and preimage attacks carefully phrase things, least
they turn into FUD.
Your initial E-Mail does *not* make it sound like you're just talking
about the cases where someone's provided you with a crafted blob that
you've been tricked into signing, but rather makes it sound like
signed tags & commits are just categorically broken, even for preimage
attacks, which is not the case.
The reality of the current situation is that it's largely mitigated in
practice because:
a) it's hard to hand someone a crafted blob to begin with for reasons
that have nothing to do with SHA-1 (they'll go "wtf is this garbage?")
b) even in that case it's *very* hard to come up with two colliding
blobs that are *useful* for some nefarious purpose, e.g. a program A
that looks normal being replaced by an evil program B with the same
SHA-1.
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