Shawn Pearce wrote:
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Ben Alex <> wrote:
> Just on the LmdbJava specific pieces:
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Shawn Pearce <> wrote:

I don't know if we need a larger key size. $DAY_JOB limits ref names
to ~200 bytes in a hook. I think GitHub does similar. But I'm worried
about the general masses who might be using our software and expect
ref names thus far to be as long as PATH_MAX on their system. Most
systems run PATH_MAX around 1024.

The key size limit in LMDB can be safely raised to around 2KB or so without any issues. There's also work underway in LMDB 1.0 to raise the limit to 2GB, but in general it would be silly to use such large keys.

Mostly at $DAY_JOB its because we can't virtualize the filesystem
calls the C library is doing.

In git-core, I'm worried about the caveats related to locking. Git
tries to work nicely on NFS,

That may be a problem in current LMDB 0.9, but needs further clarification.

and it seems LMDB wouldn't. Git also runs
fine on a read-only filesystem, and LMDB gets a little weird about

Not sure what you're talking about. LMDB works perfectly fine on read-only filesystems, it just enforces that it is used in read-only mode.

Finally, Git doesn't have nearly the risks LMDB has about a
crashed reader or writer locking out future operations until the locks
have been resolved. This is especially true with shared user
repositories, where another user might setup and own the semaphore.

All locks disappear when the last process using the DB environment exits.
If only a single process is using the DB environment, there's no issue. If multiple processes are sharing the DB environment concurrently, the write lock cleans up automatically when the writer terminates; stale reader locks would require a call to mdb_reader_check() to clean them up.

The primary issue with using LMDB over NFS is with performance. All reads are performed thru accesses of mapped memory, and in general, NFS implementations don't cache mmap'd pages. I believe this is a consequence of the fact that they also can't guarantee cache coherence, so the only way for an NFS client to see a write from another NFS client is by always refetching pages whenever they're accessed.

This is also why LMDB doesn't provide user-level VFS hooks - it's generally impractical to emulate mmap from application level. You could always write a FUSE driver if that's really what you need to do, but again, the performance of such a solution is pretty horrible.

LMDB's read lock management also wouldn't perform well over NFS; it also uses an mmap'd file. On a local filesystem LMDB read locks are zero cost since they just atomically update a word in the mmap. Over NFS, each update to the mmap would also require an msync() to propagate the change back to the server. This would seriously limit the speed with which read transactions may be opened and closed. (Ordinarily opening and closing a read txn can be done with zero system calls.)

  -- Howard Chu
  CTO, Symas Corp. 
  Director, Highland Sun
  Chief Architect, OpenLDAP

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