On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:33:18PM +0200, Tom G. Christensen wrote:
> > You've totally ignored the argument I made back then, and which I
> > reiterated in this thread. So I'll say it one more time: the more
> > compelling reason is not the #ifdefs, but the fact that the older
> > versions are totally untested.
> Perhaps you forgot but I stated in the original thread that I build RPMS for
> RHEL/CentOS 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. I still do and I run the testsuite every
> single time.
I didn't forget. I actually double-checked the patches you sent at the
time, but I didn't see one for the CURLPROTO issue. And indeed, it is
still broken for me:
$ cd /path/to/curl/repo
$ git checkout curl-7_15_5
$ ./buildconf && ./configure --prefix=/tmp/foo && make install
$ cd /path/to/git
$ git checkout v2.14.0
$ make CURLDIR=/tmp/foo V=1 http.o
gcc -o http.o -c -MF ./.depend/http.o.d -MQ http.o -MMD -MP -g -O0 -Wall
-Werror -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -Wvla
-Wold-style-declaration -Wold-style-definition -Wno-error -Wno-cpp
-Wno-unused-value -Wno-strict-prototypes -I. -DUSE_LIBPCRE1 -DHAVE_ALLOCA_H
-I/tmp/foo/include -DUSE_CURL_FOR_IMAP_SEND -DNO_GETTEXT -DSHA1_DC
-DHAVE_DEV_TTY -DHAVE_CLOCK_GETTIME -DHAVE_CLOCK_MONOTONIC -DHAVE_GETDELIM
-DFREAD_READS_DIRECTORIES -DNO_STRLCPY -DSHELL_PATH='"/bin/sh"'
-DPAGER_ENV='"LESS=FRX LV=-c"' http.c
http.c: In function ‘get_curl_allowed_protocols’:
http.c:685:24: error: ‘CURLPROTO_HTTP’ undeclared (first use in this
function); did you mean ‘CURLPROXY_HTTP’?
allowed_protocols |= CURLPROTO_HTTP;
[and so on]
> I just built a pristine 2.14.0 on CentOS 5 with curl 7.15.5. No problems at
> all neither with building nor with running the testsuite.
As you can see, this does not compile for me. What's going on?
I don't see how it could work, as CURLPROTO_HTTP is not defined at all
in that version of curl. Can you please double-check that you're
building against the correct version of curl, and that you are building
the HTTP parts of Git (which _are_ optional, and the test suite will
pass without them).
> > So IMHO this is about being honest with users about which versions we
> > _actually_ support.
> I have no problem with you wanting to drop support for older curl releases
> (such as 7.15.5) but don't use the argument that it doesn't currently build
> and nobody cares.
My argument isn't quite that nobody cares. It's that we do users a
disservice by shipping a version of the code that very well may have
hidden problems like security holes (for instance, we do not handle
redirects safely in old versions of curl). So if you can get it to build
it may _seem_ fine, but it's a bit of a booby-trap waiting to spring.
I also won't claim any absolutes. I think we all agree this is a
cost/benefit tradeoff. But there are a lot of options for building on a
very old system. For instance, building without http if you don't need
it. Or building a more recent libcurl (and even linking statically for
I'd find arguments against the latter more compelling if recent curl
were hard to compile on old systems. I don't know whether that's the
case (certainly on a modern system, it's much easier to get newer
versions of curl to compile than older ones).
> Also FWIW Red Hat continues to support RHEL 5 with the Extended Life-cycle
> Support program until 2020-11-30.
I saw that, too. But as I understand it, they provide no code updates:
no bugfixes and no security updates. They just promise to answer the
phone and help you with troubleshooting. It's possible my perception is
wrong, though; I'm certainly not one of their customers.