aaltay commented on pull request #13933:
URL: https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/13933#issuecomment-776870869


   > > > > I think if they are solely dependencies for google-cloud-build they 
won't be needed anymore? Do we need some special handling?
   > > > 
   > > > 
   > > > Thanks. I thought originally that this PR checks in the 
google-cloud-build code. Looks like you generated client code with apitools. 
google-apitools is deprecated, and we were actually trying to move away from 
depending on google-apitools and use official google-cloud-python libraries. 
This may be a step in the opposite direction. cc: @aaltay - do you have any 
opinion here? Perhaps we should look into addressing the difficulty of managing 
the third_party deps for internal testing instead.
   > > 
   > > 
   > > > do you have any opinion here?
   > > 
   > > 
   > > This is just an **opinion**: It would be better to avoid generated 
clients. They do end up causing more issues than regular dependencies, they are 
hard to upgrade, usually stale, and apitools has been deprecated for a long 
time. I am fine if we want to do this in there interim and unblock some 
testing, but a much better solution would be to make this a proper dependency. 
I do not know the specific issues but this is only one of many dependencies and 
I assume we will have ways to address the issues with using a dependency.
   > 
   > I think it should be easy to switch back to use the third_party library 
any time(assuming cloud build team will manage the library internally). The 
difficulties of using the third party google-cloud-build library are:
   > 
   > * Right now there are dozens of dependencies of google-cloud-build library 
that are un-managed.
   > * or managed by some other teams but with many customized import hacks.
   > * some dependencies could have been imported to a certain version to be 
used by certain targets, the version does not satisfy google-cloud-build 
requirements.
   > 
   > The third party dependency issue is a lot more chaos and hard to control 
than using google-apitools to generate the client at the moment.
   
   Sounds reasonable to me to proceed with this PR and at the same time ask 
cloud build team to improve the internal library story.


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