kennknowles opened a new issue, #19518:
URL: https://github.com/apache/beam/issues/19518

   I have identified an issue where the watermark does not advance when using 
the beam PubSubIO when volumes are very low.
   
   
   I have created a mini example project to demonstrate the behaviour with a 
python script for generating messages at different frequencies:
   https://github.com/tims/beam/tree/pubsub-watermark-example/pubsub-watermark 
   [note: this is in a directory of a Beam fork for corp hoop jumping 
convenience on my end, it is not intended for merging].
   
   
   
   The behaviour is easily replicated if you apply a fixed window triggering 
after the watermark passes the end of the window.
   
   ```
   
   pipeline.apply(PubsubIO.readStrings().fromSubscription(subscription))
       .apply(ParDo.of(new ParseScoreEventFn()))
   
      
.apply(Window.<ScoreEvent>into(FixedWindows.of(Duration.standardSeconds(60)))
           .triggering(AfterWatermark.pastEndOfWindow())
   
          .withAllowedLateness(Duration.standardSeconds(60))
           .discardingFiredPanes())
       .apply(MapElements.into(kvs(strings(),
   integers()))
           .via(scoreEvent -> KV.of(scoreEvent.getPlayer(), 
scoreEvent.getScore())))
     
    .apply(Count.perKey())
       .apply(ParDo.of(Log.of("counted per key")));
   
   ```
   
   
   With this triggering, using both the flink local runner the direct runner, 
panes will be fired after a long delay (minutes) for low frequencies of 
messages in pubsub (seconds). The biggest issue is that it seems no panes will 
ever be emitted if you just send a few events and stop. This is particularly 
likely trip up people new to Beam.
   
   If I change the triggering to have early firings I get exactly the emitted 
panes that you would expect.
   
   ```
   
   .apply(Window.<ScoreEvent>into(FixedWindows.of(Duration.standardSeconds(60)))
       .triggering(AfterWatermark.pastEndOfWindow()
   
          .withEarlyFirings(AfterProcessingTime.pastFirstElementInPane()
               .alignedTo(Duration.standardSeconds(60))))
   
      .withAllowedLateness(Duration.standardSeconds(60))
       .discardingFiredPanes())
   
   ```
   
   
   I can use any variation of early firing triggers and they work as expected.
   
   We believe that the watermark is not advancing when the volume is too low 
because of the sampling that PubSubIO does to determine it's watermark. It just 
never has a large enough sample. 
   This problem occurs in the direct runner and flink runner, but not in the 
dataflow runner (because dataflow uses it's own PubSubIO because dataflow has 
access to internal details of pubsub and so doesn't need to do any sampling).
   
   
   
   
   For extra context from the user@ list:
   
   *Kenneth Knowles:*
   
   Thanks to your info, I think it is the configuration of MovingFunction [1] 
that is the likely culprit, but I don't totally understand why. It is 
configured like so:
   
    - store 60 seconds of data
    - update data every 5 seconds
    - require at least 10 messages to be 'significant'
    - require messages from at least 2 distinct 5 second update periods to 
'significant'
   
   I would expect a rate of 1 message per second to satisfy this. I may have 
read something wrong.
   
   Have you filed an issue in Jira [2]?
   
   Kenn
   
   [1] 
https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/sdks/java/io/google-cloud-platform/src/main/java/org/apache/beam/sdk/io/gcp/pubsub/PubsubUnboundedSource.java#L508
   [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/BEAM/issues
   
   
   *Alexey Romanenko:*
   
   Not sure that this can be very helpful but I recall a similar issue with 
KinesisIO [1] [2] and it was a bug in MovingFunction which was fixed.
   
   [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BEAM-5063
   [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/6178
   
   Imported from Jira 
[BEAM-7322](https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BEAM-7322). Original Jira may 
contain additional context.
   Reported by: tim_s.


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